In 1924, while working at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, Ivanov obtained permission from the Institute's directors to use its experimental primate station in Kindia, French Guinea, for such an experiment. Ivanov attempted to gain backing for his project from the Soviet government. He dispatched letters to the People's Commissar on Education and Science Anatoliy Vasilievich Lunacharsky and to other officials. Ivanov's proposal finally sparked the interest of Nikolai Petrovich Gorbunov, the head of the Department of Scientific Institutions. In September 1925, Gorbunov helped allocate US$10,000 to the Academy of Sciences for Ivanov's human-ape hybridization experiments in Africa.
In March 1926, Ivanov arrived at the Kindia facility, but stayed only a month without success. The Kindia site, it turned out, had no sexually mature chimpanzees. He returned to France where he arranged through correspondence with French Guinea's colonial governor to set up experiments at the botanical gardens in Conakry.
Ivanov reached Conakry in November 1926 accompanied by his son, also named Ilya, who would assist him in his experiments. Ivanov supervised the capture of adult chimpanzees in the interior of the colony, which were brought to Conakry and kept in cages in the botanical gardens. On February 28, 1927, Ivanov artificially inseminated two female chimpanzees with human sperm . On June 25, he injected a third chimpanzee with human sperm. The Ivanovs left Africa in July with thirteen chimps, including the three used in his experiments. They already knew before leaving that the first two chimpanzees had failed to become pregnant. The third died in France, and was also found not to have been pregnant. The remaining chimps were sent to a new primate station at Sukhumi.
Although Ivanov attempted to organize the insemination of human females with chimpanzee sperm in Guinea, these plans met with resistance from the French colonial government and there is no evidence such an experiment was arranged there.
Upon his return to the Soviet Union in 1927, Ivanov began an effort to organize hybridization experiments at Sukhumi using ape sperm and human females. Eventually in 1929, through the help of Gorbunov, he obtained the support of the Society of Materialist Biologists, a group associated with the Communist Academy. In the spring of 1929 the Society set up a commission to plan Ivanov's experiments at Sukhumi. They decided that at least five volunteer women would be needed for the project. However, in June 1929, before any inseminations had taken place, Ivanov learned that the only postpubescent male ape remaining at Sukhumi (an orangutan) had died. A new set of chimps would not arrive at Sukhumi until the summer of 1930.
In the course of a general political shakeup in the Soviet scientific world, Gorbunov and a number of the scientists involved in the planning of the Sukhumi experiments lost their positions. In the spring of 1930, Ivanov came under political criticism at his veterinary institute. Finally, on December 13, 1930, Ivanov was arrested. He was sentenced to five years of exile to Alma Ata, where he worked for the Kazakh Veterinary-Zoologist Institute until his death from a stroke on 20 March 1932. The renowned physiologist and psychologist Ivan Pavlov wrote an obituary for him.
Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"
i dont know enough about monkee gametes to give a definitive answer on what barriers exist to fertilization, but at this point we can surpass pretty much anything to make insane unnatural monsters.
the mom produced 12 cute pink pups, about the size of a few grains of rice :3 (too bad im going to have to cull most of them once i can sex them)
i picked up a few of the pups and fed them with a q-tip dipped in baby formula, it pwned with a capital Pee
gwap posted:oh yeah my mice finally gave birth btw. now i just need to wait for a female baby to reach sexual maturity, mate it with it's father, and produce generation 3, a generation of individuals with 75% genetic similarity. 2 or 3 more generations with this original male and his grandchildren should be similar enough (99.99%) to use as lab mice.
the mom produced 12 cute pink pups, about the size of a few grains of rice :3 (too bad im going to have to cull most of them once i can sex them)
i picked up a few of the pups and fed them with a q-tip dipped in baby formula, it pwned with a capital Pee
pretty Fucked Up, imho
(i may or may not post some pictures of them tmrw)
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or, the "humane" way (per IACUC protocol), for rats and mice at least, is to poison them with carbon dioxide. you can create a homemade gas chamber like contraption with baking soda and vinegar if you dont have gaseous carbon dioxide on hand
postposting posted:Last night on an all new episode of Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory on Tru TV, Jesse and his team were on the hunt for humanzee. Human-chimpanzee hybrids allegedly being produced by our government, through DARPA, at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Lawrenceville, Georgia. Animal cruelty investigator, Chris DeRose, tells Jesse about chimera experiments involving breeding sheep with human livers, mice with human brains, pigs with human blood and other ′Manimal′ hybrids. Are these ′parahumans′ being genetically modified to create a supply of human organs for medical transplants? Or is our government preparing an army of ′chuman′ super-soldiers to suppress, and even eat, a rebellious citizenry should the nation default on its debts to Goldman Sachs?
gyrofry posted:is marxism applicable to subhumans
manimals are inherently muslim;
gwap posted:feed them to ur cat
or, the "humane" way (per IACUC protocol), for rats and mice at least, is to poison them with carbon dioxide. you can create a homemade gas chamber like contraption with baking soda and vinegar if you dont have gaseous carbon dioxide on hand
assuming mice have the same choking reflex as humans do (they probably do, i mean, it's such a basic low level don't-die instinct), wouldn't it also be activated by CO2 like humans, and therefore wouldn't it be more humane to use literally any other gas. fucking scientists
gwap posted:a human chimp hybrid is possible, the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimpanzee's is the progenitor of the homininae subfamily and intergeneric hybrids are pretty common afaik. a quick goggle search reveals the existence of ram goat and camel llama hybrids (both intergeneric hybrids (different genera, same family)).
i dont know enough about monkee gametes to give a definitive answer on what barriers exist to fertilization, but at this point we can surpass pretty much anything to make insane unnatural monsters.
Interestingly intergeneric hybrids are not unusual even in nature. Genetic studies have revealed cross-breeding between Brown and Polar bears, and pesticide resistance has been observed to jump between species, species with different chromosome counts, in rodents.
iacuc says either some kind of overdose death or CO2 for rodents
