#8401

Germeneutics posted:

aaaarg.org doesn't work for me. The page loads but clicking links doesn't do anything? Some bring the page up but clicking pdf doesn't do anything and some don't bring the page up at all.



This was happening to me too, I finally had to go to http://grr.aaaaarg.org/ instead. I dunno why, but I could log in there like normal.

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#8403

roseweird posted:

wasted posted:

descartes is cool because he pretty much lays out that subjectivity is form of insanity

i don't know his real intent but based on his historical place in western thought it seems like he instead laid out the basis of a form of thought that reifies individual subjectivity, via a belief that the soul distantly communicates via some physical focus in the brain


Yea but you move on to the Enlightenment where god/immortality disappears and Descartes still holds up e.g. Hume, Kant, Hegel, etc.

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#8405
I am liking Meillassoux, but I am disappointed by his reliance on the law of non-contradiction
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roseweird posted:

.custom199480{}wasted posted:descartes is cool because he pretty much lays out that subjectivity is form of insanity

i don't know his real intent but based on his historical place in western thought it seems like he instead laid out the basis of a form of thought that reifies individual subjectivity, via a belief that the soul distantly communicates via some physical focus in the brain


he also dissected living animals and shit for fun and is overall basically the worst. theres a cool section in caliban and the witch about how capitalists used mechanistic/cartesian philosophy for all sorts of horrible shit.

#8409
hello

are there any intelligent writings on the reconciliation of art (the production thereof as a vocation) and various communist ideals (which at face value seem to suggest that art in general is a bourgeois affectation)

it is sort of a dumb topic maybe but i would be interested in reading an opinion or two, and i am sure there are things.
#8410
as always, please direct your attention to the words of our great helmsman. good luck & god bless
#8411
Tom Scocca: They have proud records of accomplishment. And Mao was a good poet, when he was young.
Choire Sicha: I have never read the early works of Mao.
Tom Scocca:

Alone I stand in the autumn cold
On the tip of Orange Island,
The Hsiang flowing northward;
I see a thousand hills crimsoned through
By their serried woods deep-dyed,
And a hundred barges vying
Over crystal blue waters.
Eagles cleave the air,
Fish glide in the limpid deep;
Under freezing skies a million creatures contend in freedom.
Brooding over this immensity,
I ask, on this boundless land
Who rules over man's destiny?

Choire Sicha: Oh! That is pretty damn good.

Tom Scocca: But then he wrote stuff like this:

On this tiny globe
A few flies dash themselves against the wall,
Humming without cease,
Sometimes shrilling,
Sometimes moaning.
Ants on the locust tree assume a great-nation swagger
And mayflies lightly plot to topple the giant tree.
The west wind scatters leaves over Changan,
And the arrows are flying, twanging.
So many deeds cry out to be done,
And always urgently;
The world rolls on,
Time presses.
Ten thousand years are too long,
Seize the day, seize the hour!
The Four Seas are rising, clouds and waters raging,
The Five Continents are rocking, wind and thunder roaring.
Our force is irresistible,
Away with all pests!

Choire Sicha: Eep. Well, you know, sometimes our ideas change as we age.
Tom Scocca: Yes. And sometimes the quality of feedback we get changes.
#8412

laika posted:

I am liking Meillassoux, but I am disappointed by his reliance on the law of non-contradiction



you know more about logical positivist/ analytical stuff than i do, i think. why does this disappoint you?

#8413

drwhat posted:

hello

are there any intelligent writings on the reconciliation of art (the production thereof as a vocation) and various communist ideals (which at face value seem to suggest that art in general is a bourgeois affectation)

it is sort of a dumb topic maybe but i would be interested in reading an opinion or two, and i am sure there are things.



idk if it's what you're looking for but you also might want to read The Gift: Creativity and the Artist in the Modern World by Lewis Hyde. you can read the introduction here

palafox posted:

you know more about logical positivist/ analytical stuff than i do, i think. why does this disappoint you?



basically Graham Priest, but all sorts of people have written about "paradoxical logic" in one form or another and i think it's really interesting. i just don't see how it is necessary for his argument yet, but i'm also only on the second chapter so maybe i'll change my mind

e: it's also not so much positivism/analytic philosophy

Hegel posted:

...The more the ordinary mind takes the opposition between true and false to be fixed, the more is it accustomed to expect either agreement or contradiction with a given philosophical system, and only to see reason for the one or the other in any explanatory statement concerning such a system. It does not conceive the diversity of philosophical systems as the progressive evolution of truth; rather, it sees only contradiction in that variety. The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant’s existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another. But the ceaseless activity of their own inherent nature makes them at the same time moments of an organic unity, where they not merely do not contradict one another, but where one is as necessary as the other; and this equal necessity of all moments constitutes alone and thereby the life of the whole...



e2: just in case Hegel doesn't suit you

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drwhat posted:

hello

are there any intelligent writings on the reconciliation of art (the production thereof as a vocation) and various communist ideals (which at face value seem to suggest that art in general is a bourgeois affectation)

it is sort of a dumb topic maybe but i would be interested in reading an opinion or two, and i am sure there are things.



ubu put up the entirety of cardew's famous and excellent "stockhausen serves imperialism" and there's also mao's "talk to music workers"
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-7/mswv7_469.htm
if you're familiar with badiou from other more famous stuff then "handbook of inaesthetics" is an occasionally fun use of his ideas on truth and event, etc.

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#8416
the constructivists were cool as hell and the institution of social realism and purging them was the worse as hell move to make. imagine the USSR but with cool artists and architects and better graphic design.
#8417

NoFreeWill posted:

imagine the USSR but with cool artists and architects and better graphic design.

so, the USSR

*eyes you to see if you criticize stalin*

#8418
thanks for the good links about art stuff everyone.
#8419
there's not much that's explicitly marxist in handbook of inaesthetics, just so you know. you'll have to read between the lines a little bit with knowledge of badiou's other writing, making it a little more removed than reading the endnotes but not as removed as bible code. if you're willing to count this reading at a slight remove then agamben's "the man without content" fits the bill as well.

if you really really want to get detached then I think it's possible to read francois jullien's "in praise of blandness," especially with its stuff on chinese musicology, in the light of mao's talks to music workers, but that would get you stuff that's pretty far from jullien's general outlook.

#8420

getfiscal posted:

.custom199720{}NoFreeWill posted:imagine the USSR but with cool artists and architects and better graphic design.so, the USSR

*eyes you to see if you criticize stalin*


socialist realism is ok in moderate amounts but as the only allowable art style is pretty lame.

#8421
https://twitter.com/zanu_pf
#8422

NoFreeWill posted:

getfiscal posted:

.custom199720{}NoFreeWill posted:imagine the USSR but with cool artists and architects and better graphic design.so, the USSR

*eyes you to see if you criticize stalin*

socialist realism is ok in moderate amounts but as the only allowable art style is pretty lame.



Is the only allowable art style in the US video games

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#8424
https://sites.google.com/site/nsfnsfwcorp/the-extraordinary-pierre-omidyar
#8425
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/15/pussy-riot-nadezhda-tolokonnikova-slavoj-zizek
#8426
boris groys is good read boris groys
#8427

deadken posted:

boris groys is good read boris groys

sam i need your help. its urgent. please rt and fave this tweet https://twitter.com/yarles_p/status/401801924061569024

#8428

elektrenai posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/15/pussy-riot-nadezhda-tolokonnikova-slavoj-zizek


wow, SEO is getting really demographic-specific these days

#8429
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/my-orbit/2013/nov/16/titanic-failure-affordable-health-care-obamacare-s/
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#8431

NoFreeWill posted:

roseweird posted:

.custom199480{}wasted posted:descartes is cool because he pretty much lays out that subjectivity is form of insanity

i don't know his real intent but based on his historical place in western thought it seems like he instead laid out the basis of a form of thought that reifies individual subjectivity, via a belief that the soul distantly communicates via some physical focus in the brain

he also dissected living animals and shit for fun and is overall basically the worst. theres a cool section in caliban and the witch about how capitalists used mechanistic/cartesian philosophy for all sorts of horrible shit.



it is kind of cool how a lot of people like him (isaac newton and francis bacon too) were like, torturers

#8432

roseweird posted:

oh stanislaw lem's Peace On Earth is also really good, both politically and psychologically. also it is funny


Piss on Earth

#8433
i think the russellian reply is that just because you think, doesn't mean you are. it only means that there exists thinking. just like if you write, it only means there is text. to assume there is an "i" doing the thinking begs the same question that descartes was trying to answer.
#8434
Sam Kriss is one of the most talked about young writers today. Described by reviewers as "the Macklemore of the left", he has been on the vanguard of the #YOSPOS movement well before day one of the lols began. His social media savvy and tactics flips the equation when it comes to the so-called influence of media on the youth. With Sam Kriss at the helm, we are witnessing a new media movement where it's the youth that's influencing --and manipulating-- the mainstream media to enact what has become a global uprising of youth demanding the bacon that was promised to them on reddit.


He speaks for $5,000, not including travel and accommodations. Let me know if you have any futher questions.

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#8435
through a couple nights of insomnia I've been reading satantango and http://briarpatchmagazine.com/articles/view/from-the-ground-up1
#8436

The Deep South white press generally blacked me out. But they front-paged what I felt about Northern white and black Freedom Riders going South to ‘demonstrate.’ I called it ‘ridiculous’; their own Northern ghettoes, right at home, had enough rats and roaches to kill to keep all of the Freedom Riders busy. I said that ultra-liberal New York had more integration problems than Mississippi. If the Northern Freedom Riders wanted more to do, they could work on the roots of such ghetto evils as the little children out in the streets at midnight, with apartment keys on strings around their necks to let themselves in, and their mothers and fathers drunk, drug addicts, thieves, prostitutes.

Or the Northern Freedom Riders could light some fires under the Northern city halls, unions, and major industries to give more jobs to Negroes to remove so many of them from the relief and welfare rolls, which created laziness, and which deteriorated the ghettoes into steadily worse places for humans to live. It was all, it is all, the absolute truth; but what did I want to say it for? Snakes couldn’t have turned on me faster than the liberal.

Yes, I will pull off that liberal’s halo that he spends much time cultivating! The North’s liberals have been for so long pointing accusing fingers at the South and getting away with it that they have fits when they are exposed as the world’s worst hypocrites.



- X

#8437
also gonna start this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0143038702?ie=UTF8&tag=johnnytriangl-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0143038702johnnytriangl-20

Norah Vincent's first experiment in cross-dressing came on a dare from an acquaintance who was a drag king. When she experienced the intoxicating invisibility and safety that came from wearing the disguise, she wanted to learn more. For 18 months, she disguised herself as a man, renamed herself Ned, joined a men's bowling league, visited strip bars, and dated women. Along the way, she found that the freedom and privileges enjoyed by men were counterbalanced by a constant testing and severe limits on emotions. She also found women to be distrustful, ever ready to criticize men for being emotionally distant yet clearly preferring men who met stereotypical images of strength and virility. Vincent is frank about her experiences--the hard business of sexual transactions devoid of emotions, the easy bonding between men, fear of sexual attraction among men, and, ultimately, the explosion of her own notions of sex roles. She also explores the guilt she feels about her deception. Writing from the perspective of a gay woman who had a view of the male world that women don't get to see, Vincent finds unexpected complexities in the men she meets and in herself as well.

#8438

ilmdge posted:

i think the russellian reply is that just because you think, doesn't mean you are. it only means that there exists thinking. just like if you write, it only means there is text. to assume there is an "i" doing the thinking begs the same question that descartes was trying to answer.


Elizabeth Anscombe discusses this and the role of the word 'I' in her excellent paper "The First Person" http://mind.ucsd.edu/syllabi/01-02/270/pwd01F270/anscombe.html

When it comes to psychological statements, we're caught in Descartes' trap when we start to view them as reporting on a hidden inner state. It seems to me that a person can avow that they are thinking and be lying about it, but they can't be mistaken about whether they themselves are thinking. I think this is because the avowal itself can be part of what it is to think or feel an emotion. The possibility that someone is lying when they avow something isn't anymore damaging than if the person were faking pain or curiosity, since lying here isn't an untruthful description, but a kind of deception like mimicry in animals.

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jools posted:

.custom199600{}NoFreeWill posted:.custom199537{color:#FFF5B5 !important; background-color:#B80458 !important; }roseweird posted:.custom199480{}wasted posted:descartes is cool because he pretty much lays out that subjectivity is form of insanity

i don't know his real intent but based on his historical place in western thought it seems like he instead laid out the basis of a form of thought that reifies individual subjectivity, via a belief that the soul distantly communicates via some physical focus in the brain

he also dissected living animals and shit for fun and is overall basically the worst. theres a cool section in caliban and the witch about how capitalists used mechanistic/cartesian philosophy for all sorts of horrible shit.

it is kind of cool how a lot of people like him (isaac newton and francis bacon too) were like, torturers


nature must be forced to give up its secrets...

#8440
O damn, it is extremely hard to say that God allows himself to be fucked