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postposting posted:

where does desire come from?



tell me where is fancy bred, in the heart or in the head?

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roseweird posted:

acephalousuniverse i wish you would put as much effort into responding to my posts when i talk about agricultural industrial and energy policy as you are putting into bhpn's unfortunate characterization of pua reptilian predatory mechanisms as social intelligence



But pua is simply social intelligence taken to its farthest conclusions, insofar as the concept already implies an instrumentalization of relationships. In our future communist utopia both shall be abandoned in favor of virtues such as courtesty, honesty and magnanimity.

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PEEE YOUUU EHHH: IT STINKS!
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as Mao points out you cant actually be a Communist without being belligerent and insufferably annoying about the correctness and applicability of Communism at all times in every situation wherever and whenever possible
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postposting posted:

where does desire come from?


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roseweird posted:

gyrofry posted:

roseweird posted:

ignoring one's own innate drive to pursue personal desires is a good way to become schizophrenic and unaware of the influence of one's desires on others imo

this is a twelfth type of liberalism

what are the other kinds



Up, Down, Top, Bottom, Charm, and Strange

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daddyholes posted:

as Mao points out you cant actually be a Communist without being belligerent and insufferably annoying about the correctness and applicability of Communism at all times in every situation wherever and whenever possible



um, "points out"? surely you know mao does much more than "point out" facts as if they're floating above your silly petit-bourgeois trot head, his every word utterly annihilates the liberal worldview and brings pure Communist enlightenment on all who listen. this post is just... so... typical

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okay i just think pretending not to have desires when one does have desires is silly



maybe it's also an effective means of navigating the shoals of life sometimes; i start desiring some stupid shit occasionally because our world is geared to make us desire stupid shit, who can really tell you what it is they genuinely desire anyway.

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roseweird posted:

marimite posted:

roseweird posted:

acephalousuniverse i wish you would put as much effort into responding to my posts when i talk about agricultural industrial and energy policy as you are putting into bhpn's unfortunate characterization of pua reptilian predatory mechanisms as social intelligence

But pua is simply social intelligence taken to its farthest conclusions, insofar as the concept already implies an instrumentalization of relationships. In our future communist utopia both shall be abandoned in favor of virtues such as courtesty, honesty and magnanimity.



perhaps i just have an idiosyncratic notion of social intelligence, (would emotional intelligence be better said?) but i think of social intelligence as the practices of sensitivity and self-awareness that enable us to respond carefully and authentically to others, with courtesy and honesty, as you say (is magnanimity really valuable though? it seems like an operation of imbalanced power at best). it will always be necessary for humans to regard themselves and each other as whole individuals, and to do so is an obligation to community, because an individual who lacks self awareness and fails to respect others is dangerous, and not in an exciting revolutionary way.



it's not an idiosyncratic notion, it's a parochial one that obviously is developed around your (and our, generally) social location of the educated urban middle classes and their unfailing belief in the power of clever words and careful tones.

Which of course begs the question as to what 'community', 'respect others' and 'dangerous' mean to different people: What you just wrote could serve as a plea for a tolerant and inclusive workplace as easily as it could serve as a denunciation of the loudness of black people on public transport.

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It doesnt beg the question actually
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maybe not, i'm hazy about the 'correct' use of phrases like that, i suppose i just think that defining social intelligence through such Oprah-via-Oberlin sensitivity prisms might be less of an insight into human socialization than it is a reflection of education and class loyalty.

'because an individual who lacks self awareness and fails to respect others is dangerous, and not in an exciting revolutionary way. '



What exactly is the authenticity of this statement?

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let's, like, get authentic, man..
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i don't reconcile my egalitarianism with my rightful place in humanity, OP.

here's how i see it. all life is constant suffering. our value system, what we deem to be "good" and "bad," is based around actions that work to relieve this suffering that we all experience. a thing that is "good," is a thing that works to reduce suffering among all people. that's why i support aristocracy. as far as i am concerned, it is the only method of organizing society which creates a hierarchy that creates and enforces a code of conduct among its members which promotes actions and norms that relieve the suffering of all. people are at their best when they know their place.
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acephalousuniverse posted:



uh huh. the chairman and i will be over here if you need us

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roseweird posted:

iwc you're just mad at me for refusing to recognize what pua's and their (sometimes secret) admirers call "sexual success" as an indicator of social intelligence, perhaps because you wish to believe that reptilian behavior is an indicator of authenticity and that rejection of it is an indicator of bourgeois pretension. but boors like you come from all classes and tend to flourish among the capitalists, so i'm not too worried about the sad little moralizing shuffle dance you've been practicing lately



'Indicator of Authenticity' is when you lightly touch their hair to make sure it's not a weave right?

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roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Which of course begs the question as to what 'community', 'respect others' and 'dangerous' mean to different people: What you just wrote could serve as a plea for a tolerant and inclusive workplace as easily as it could serve as a denunciation of the loudness of black people on public transport.



thanks, if any weirdo racist creeps start hijacking my language to say grotesque things i'll keep your warning in mind



heads up dawg

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i'm just curious as to why you would set yourself such a limited and prescriptive definition of intelligence, especially given your fancy, worldly new york talkin' ways

after all, 'i'm walkin' here!' carries a different meaning on Queens Boulevard or the stage of a Baptist revival in Texas.
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roseweird posted:

freire posted:

The oppressed suffer from the duality which has established itself in their innermost being. They discover that without freedom they cannot live authentically. Yet, although they desire authentic existence, they fear it. They are at one and the same time themselves and the oppressor whose consciousness they have internalized.



you seem pretty divided against yourself too iwc, so perhaps you are less an enemy of the language you are trying to set yourself against than you think. i hope that you continue to struggle against self-awareness and sensitivity, because you will certainly lose and be better for it



but what happens when the sensitivity doesn't match the self-awareness? You gave a very noble mission statement about honesty, clarity and courtesy and then proceeded to defend it with sarcasm...sass....a little jibe at my insecurities...an assumption that i'm 'mad at you'.....almost like you're.....negging me...

curiouser and curiouser

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leave roseweird alone you big galoot!
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roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

but what happens when the sensitivity doesn't match the self-awareness? You gave a very noble mission statement about honesty, clarity and courtesy and then proceeded to defend it with sarcasm...sass....a little jibe at my insecurities...an assumption that i'm 'mad at you'.....almost like you're.....negging me...

curiouser and curiouser



i only offer, in the mirror of my Posting Persona, my clear and honest appraisal of your character and direct reflection of your prejudicial hostilities



haha, well played......i really need to get me a talmud

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care man mao
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roseweird posted:

enjoy, come back when you're ready for a new one



actually do you know where i might be able to get a good deal on one?

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the sexual tension in this thread is palpable
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eheh yea.... lets get this fuck on
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gyrofry posted:

the sexual tension in this thread is palpable



i'm spoken for unfortunately but i do enjoy the ribald sparring.....playing the Hitchens to roseweird's Theresa as it were

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