Superabound posted:Squalid posted:that's like the lamest moral obligation ever. go choke on a Pringles tube
drwhat posted:what books should i read. what can i do now in a city. (inside; it's fucking cold)
thx
the two books ive gotten the most use out of are Fukuoka's One Straw Revolution for theory and Hemenway's Gaia's Garden for practice.
if you dont have spare land (and you shouldnt be expected too, subburbs 'r gross) then the thing id to do over winter would be see if there is a community garden within walking distance and get in contact with someone from there. maybe go to weston price potluck or some other fun thing that engages you in your community.
well thats my advice good luck and dont kill yourself yet!
roseweird posted:you're all being silly and i know food inc, and michael pollan books are In Right Now but the word "monoculture" is a buzzword that infected your brains. there is a middle ground between a system that results in miles of gmo pesticide resistant corn planted along the highway and the complete demolition of all agricultural-industrial structure, and it is to make intelligent use of cultures which have been homogenized for efficiency and desirable traits (which is the essence of even ancient agriculture). if you live in a city, then instead of planning to sprawl out and clog up the land with failed homestead farms, study plant genetics and work out a genetic profile that can manifest diverse forms of disease resistance while also manifesting traits required for efficient modern mechanized agriculture. or study engineering and design lighter, cleaner, more efficient, and more adaptable machines.
One of the important things to remember in these discussions is that American style lazer leveled fields are actually an exception, and the vast majority of the world farms differently. The form of modern American agriculture would not necessarily work in another context, and no serious planners are trying to make rural China and India look like Iowa. Agriculture can continue to become more industrial, more scientific, but polyculture can, and in fact already does, fit into modern development.
I agree that it is unlikely to ever take off in the United States, though. Maybe if U.S. agriculture policy wasn't expressly designed to promote consolidation of agricultural land.
daddyholes posted:shennong has definitely died. I'm sorry
of bees? sad...
I was getting a little goony over this idea because it seems kind of cool, at first, ok now scroll to the bottom, his whole body looks like my wrist did after I got the cast off
roseweird posted:Squalid posted:no serious planners are trying to make rural China and India look like Iowa
as an armchair planner that is not what i am proposing, i don't know if i'm being vague or if i'm being deliberately misread
more of I'm reading between the lines of your attack on polyculture, of which traditional rice patties are a commonly cited example, stated support for industrial agriculture, and disagreement with the neo-homesteaders. Although I do find neo-homesteaders silly, nobody should willingly expose themselves to the economic risks inherent in agricultural production.
daddyholes posted:shennong has definitely died. I'm sorry
gather the dr dog balls
acephalousuniverse posted:people complain about jetpacks or whatever but the only retro-future thing i actually genuinely pine for is the nutrient-pill meal replacement thing. i hate grocery shopping and spending money on food and cooking and will get blisters on my hands from signing up so fast the day i can buy a pill that lets me eliminate food from my life
they already have that, its called amphetamines
daddyholes posted:shennong has definitely died. I'm sorry
for reals? damn 
acephalousuniverse posted:people complain about jetpacks or whatever but the only retro-future thing i actually genuinely pine for is the nutrient-pill meal replacement thing. i hate grocery shopping and spending money on food and cooking and will get blisters on my hands from signing up so fast the day i can buy a pill that lets me eliminate food from my life
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/14/commercial-soylent-variant
swampman posted:http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/drink-soylent-and-youll-never-have-to-eat-againI was getting a little goony over this idea because it seems kind of cool, at first, ok now scroll to the bottom, his whole body looks like my wrist did after I got the cast off
it's the gooniest idea in the world, so he looks like a goon. surprise
gyrofry posted:if we didnt have corn syrup thered be no pecan pie
eeewww remind me not the eat the pies your mom serves this thanksgiving.
roseweird posted:you can keep reading between the lines if you want squalid but i'm being pretty straightforward here and you're being pretty dense about the possible meanings of industrial or mechanized agriculture under conditions of radical reform. i support Using Machines, and oppose Solipsistic Primitivist Survivalism. i don't support agribusiness or the corn syrup and cattle industries. and i'm not attacking polyculture in any case, it is an interesting idea and was clearly once a great lavor saving adaptation, but now it is extremely labor intensive, ill defined, scarcely practiced (and almost nowhere commercially), and at least some of its benefits, like disease resistance, can certainly be duplicated in industrial agriculture (for example, monocultural seed stock replaced with polygenetic seed profiles selected or genetically altered to manifest sufficiently similar traits for simultaneous processing). other than that, i think if archaic gardening practices are an attractive hobby for you then utopian polyculture seems great, and while you wait for the revolution you can probably establish yourself as a fairly successful businessman if you manage to hire enough hard workers to harvest all your product at a rate low enough to profit. if that doesn't work out you can slowly go crazy in a decaying old farmhouse while shaking a shotgun at surveillance drones from your porch. i don't know, it's your life.
eh Part of it is I was trying to respond to posts I last read several days ago so I'm not going to remember anything specific to address. But I disagree with several of your factual statements about polyculture, for example 1) Polyculture is inconsistent with industrial scale production 2) high labor intensity is necessarily cost prohibitive 3) polyculture is scarcely practiced.
Regarding point 1, there is nothing inherent about polyculture that precludes the use of pesticides, synthetic fertilizers, genetically modified crops, or other modern innovations. For 2, nobody would claim that because a Teddy Bear factory in Guangzhou is labor intensive, it is not modern. In certain circumstances this is more efficient than mechanized production, and the same is true of agricultural labor.
Finally, well actually point 3 is true by strict definitions. Multiple plant species are almost never grown among one another and if judged solely by maximum biomass output mixing species doesn't normally increase yields. However using a less strict definition traditional rice patties could be described as polycultures, with fish farmed in the flooded fields and water fowl and snails eating algae amidst the rice. Further you can have a "polyculture" within a field consisting of one species, the different cultures consisting of different cultivars, which can dramatically reduce vulnerability to disease.
Maximum age limit is 70.
You get to be a parent at 30. You sign up in advance, take some classes, and so forth. Then you and five other people get to share a baby. Six adults to one child makes caregiving easy on everybody.
Right now there are 7.2 billion people
In thirty years, 1.2 billion
In sixty years, 200 million
In ninety years, 33 million, global warming is over, the planet is saved, scroll credits
Could someone please check my math on this because I'm not exactly a math solver.
So, uh, this thread is now a petition to put my plan for the future of humanity into action. Thanks!
-Swampman
Coauthored by BEE VENOM
-swampman
Coauthored by BEE VENOM
acephalousuniverse posted:Parents are fucken insane and would be hell of jealouis if they had to share 1/6th of a baby esp. after taking classes, best to just let wolves raise the kids like in lickourgos times
i think the idea is that adolescents should be raised up to adulthood by way of a mess, such as chicago
acephalousuniverse posted:Parents are fucken insane and would be hell of jealouis if they had to share 1/6th of a baby esp. after taking classes, best to just let wolves raise the kids like in lickourgos times
spoken like someone who has never had to change a diaper or feed a screaming baby at 4am
acephalousuniverse posted:Parents are fucken insane and would be hell of jealouis if they had to share 1/6th of a baby esp. after taking classes, best to just let wolves raise the kids like in lickourgos times
I thought about that, first of all, you get 8 hours in the poop mines, then 8 hours to sleep and hyper-shower, then 4 hours to dick around doing whatever stupid thing those idiots like to do, reading or whatever, then 4 hours of interaction with the baby, arranged around the baby sleep schedule so the baby has up to 12 hours of napping per day as needed. Six is actually the minimum number of allowable parents in this society. Thanks for your question or comment!
roseweird posted:maybe fear of a robot uprising is just a coded fear of the much likelier and more justified uprising of the proletariat who currently feed and clothe all of us and build our toys
theyre actually fantasies of ultimate control sorry
babyhueypnewton posted:Lessons posted:roseweird posted:why is the left full of crypto-primitivists hoping to wait out an apocalyptic starvation event? it's unseemly. come on. get up, dust yourselves off, remember the state you must inherit as communists.
probably because global warming and the energy crisis in its modern form (capitalism is actually in a perpetual energy crisis but lets leave that aside) are relatively new things and no one's done the theoretical work to integrate the solutions coming from environmental science and theory into a marxist framework, or at least not well enough to reach a wide audience, and so people just wail about how we're all going to die. not that thats what scree is doing necessarily.
what solutions? there are no solutions to global warming possible under capitalism. so unless you think marxism needs more theoretical work to say 'overthrow capitalism or we're all going to die' than I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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