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sorry i have to water my lawn
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The_Schliski posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

actually marx only says a little bit about the environment in capital and what is needed is for hippies to realize the problem is capitalism, communists to start wearing no deodorant, and all of western civilization to plunge into darkness due to lack of oil.

i like to think of the impending ecological disasters rendering the planet incapable of sustaining animal life much larger than the size of a brick to be the crisis of capitalism which marx given his era would have found difficult to forsee



actually since Marx lived in industrial Britain which had more coal dust than air to breathe he probably saw the potential of environmental destruction. the thing is ecological arguments are often neo-malthusian reaction and are always a retreat from socialism, because unlike the proletariat animals are not revolutionary and environmental destruction has no necessary revolutionary force to negate and overcome it.

as you can see in this thread the "solutions" are utopian fantasies or even primitivist misanthropy, green politics are the result of the defeat of communism and the stagnation of science.

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roseweird posted:

why, if it rains so much there



because it hasn't rained for a week or so, but there's still plenty of water in the dams so it's not harmful in the slightest

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if your path to recognizing the flaws of capitalism and the correctness of socialism ran through the land of environmentalism... you might be a Nineties Kid!!
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Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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lawns more like yawns
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political car tune
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lawnchat
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jiggago
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yes, let us turn the malpais into lawns, so that we can play frisbee on it because we think that's fucking cool for some reason
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jiggago
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*throws a frisbee while standing on a lawn* im sure glad we used 72 million gallons of water to do this, this is great!
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jiggago
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*sees a chart demonstrating a plan that will allow enough drinking water for everyone on earth* WHERE THE FUCK AM I GONNA PLAY FRISBEE DOG
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and what about golf courses, surely that's a pressing issue when it comes to riparian resources
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clanzy posted:

*sees a chart demonstrating a plan that will allow enough drinking water for everyone on earth* WHERE THE FUCK AM I GONNA PLAY FRISBEE DOG



hello this is frisbee dog, play wherever you want. PEACE
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We need a revolution to sweep through and severely lower everyone's "living standards" for energy conservation and environmental purposes, imo. I want to live in the dark.
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ilmdge posted:

I want to live in the dark.

you already do, you're a socialest!!!!!!

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roseweird posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

ecological arguments

ecological observations



New catchphrases. Damn its true

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do you guys read any bellamy foster? (should i be reading it?)

http://monthlyreview.org/2009/11/01/the-paradox-of-wealth-capitalism-and-ecological-destruction

what do you think of Marx's notion of metabolic rift etc? http://cjres.oxfordjournals.org/content/3/2/191.full.pdf+html

is this all liberalism?
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UNUSUALY COOL
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haha im going to water my lawn guys *iwc distrupts passing dust devil w sink sprayer*
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clanzy posted:

*sees a chart demonstrating a plan that will allow enough drinking water for everyone on earth* WHERE THE FUCK AM I GONNA PLAY FRISBEE DOG



i know it goes against magic egalitarian thinking but it's not lawn's fault that people don't have enough water (or food)

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cars posted:

haha im going to water my lawn guys *iwc distrupts passing dust devil w sink sprayer*





the guy who took this video was approached by Al Gore who offered to pay for the rights to use it, and the dude denied him by (rightly) saying it was nothing to do with climate change and thus would be used fraudulently and manipulatively, owned

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the funny thing is even if you don't care at all about or disbelieve climate change there are still a million other reasons to care about pollution and environmental destruction, like coal power plants fucking up peoples lungs nearby andetc.
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sup b*tch
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why would that be a problem
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the tendency of people on this board to ask if they should read or should be reading something is bizarre to me
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should i be reading acephalousuniverse's posts?
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Cease and desist reading immediately, citizen.
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roseweird posted:

golf courses prob don't matter ecologically, the best reason to destroy golf courses is just to piss off people who play golf



They're responsible for a large proportion of that irrigated grass, especially in arid regions like Arizona.

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troll harder


Everything he posted is true. Or if it's not its something real people believe anyway

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roseweird posted:

please, don't attack saint gore, we all love him



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babyhueypnewton posted:

actually since Marx lived in industrial Britain which had more coal dust than air to breathe he probably saw the potential of environmental destruction. the thing is ecological arguments are often neo-malthusian reaction and are always a retreat from socialism, because unlike the proletariat animals are not revolutionary and environmental destruction has no necessary revolutionary force to negate and overcome it.

as you can see in this thread the "solutions" are utopian fantasies or even primitivist misanthropy, green politics are the result of the defeat of communism and the stagnation of science.



If a doctor inoculates a person in order to reproduce the working class, or strengthen the people's army, does it matter? The outcome is good, and even when the motivation is for a bad cause the outcome should not necessarily be considered a retreat from socialism. The same is true for other public health issues, like air and water quality. Or did you only mean some other, nebulous bad environmentalism?

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roseweird posted:

Squalid posted:

roseweird posted:

golf courses prob don't matter ecologically, the best reason to destroy golf courses is just to piss off people who play golf

They're responsible for a large proportion of that irrigated grass, especially in arid regions like Arizona.

squalid forgive me, i have hardly ever set foot outside the wet northeast in my life, so maybe i just can't understand, but maybe if you're so fond of grass, and a frisbee fanatic, you shouldn't live in a desert



Man I dunno what sport YOU'd play in scrublands but there aren't a lot of realistic options.

Also lol at clanzy's posts itt

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acephalousuniverse posted:

the tendency of people on this board to ask if they should read or should be reading something is bizarre to me

btw this is a stupid post theres nothing wrong with asking people for reading recs or asking if something is sucky/trotty before reading it

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ilmdge posted:

acephalousuniverse posted:

the tendency of people on this board to ask if they should read or should be reading something is bizarre to me

btw this is a stupid fucking post theres nothing wrong with asking people for reading recs or asking if something is sucky/trotty before reading it


Depends on the censor.

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Why don't you plant a nice looking, native, drought-resistant, groundcover species instead of having to maintain a stupid ugly lawn.
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political car tune
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you can't even, like, own land, man
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ilmdge posted:

btw this is a stupid fucking post theres nothing wrong with asking people for reading recs or asking if something is sucky/trotty before reading it



no ur stupid

theres a big diff between reading reccs and "hey i'm enjoying this book but do you guys apply to this author?lemme know so i can lazily quit in the middle instead of trying to actually acquire insight via critical engagement w a text"

that type of shit is The Book Barn Esque. oh no my pages per day went way down this week bc stuff written by librals doesnt count!!! oh no this book is trotskyist imgonna get mindfreaked!!

"should i be reading this" jesus cjhrist

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im probably interpreting that post in the worst light bc of wider tendencies and he just wanted a recc but liek, dont avoid reading things just bc they're not ideologically pure or whatever and don't read things just to add to the pile of Universally Approved Books You've Read so u can have a long list with the right names on it