roseweird posted:

not laughing. but do what you like

nah i'm just joshing, the gays are orright

getfiscal posted:

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*specializes in oral, anal, DP, DA, DVDA, McDLT

babyhueypnewton posted:

we have liberal feminists who believe they are better than actual socialist organizations because they don't care enough about trans whatever. we have splits over not which organizational form is best for revolution but over "slut-shaming" or "progressive stack". we have people who do not care about security culture or FBI disinformation because certain moral transgressions are unacceptable and need to be "called out".

babyhueypnewton posted:

Real communists are not in the business of virtue, they are in the business of violence (in a Nietzschean sense). They create their own virtue. People condemn the black panthers sexism because they lost. The modern left goes on about identity because it has no power and therefore does not have to impose itself on others

i'm not trying to talk about virtue. I agree with you that the culture of calling out, insofar as it takes weak people and labels them Bad with a Capital B, is counterproductive. but instead of excusing the activities that prompt that labeling, letting them go unchecked within their communities, rippling out and richocheting in and grow ever more intensely within that community, i say: examine them.

because a good healthy man does not catcall, he does not rape, he does not hate his mother. if we reject the moral judgment, then the only thing that's left is health and imo that's the most accurate angle anyway. if you break up families via slavery, sap people's dignity via prejudice, stuff entire communities into rape cages, and cook the whole broth with the stress of living under capitalist oppression, you're gonna cook up some nasty psychosocial trauma. now you could ignore that trauma and just work to defeat the things that created it; as a middle class white man, that is probably the closest thing to an appropriate role i have. but i really don't think that, alone, is enough, because trauma begets trauma. the poison will not just pass through, but fester and compound.

and really, i don't think you'll ever get your Full Blown Socialism if you don't fix those wounds. i don't know a tenth of the history i'd need to be able to say this definitively, but I strongly suspect it: a guy who clutches what little he has, which includes a patriarchal masculinity, is not a guy who is ready to give up capitalist assumptions of property, not a guy who is interested in working to improve his community and express his creative instincts rather than out of compulsion. is it an accident that socialism was most active and most successful when it could draw generously from groups raised in stable and relatively healthy agrarian communities rather than peoples two or three generations deep into malign industrial alienation?

c_man posted:

i do think its shitty that we apparently live in a world where a rich women getting called a name is a worse problem than the exploitation of the underclasses

To who? To rich people? Yall are worthless

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

surely this is a problem that affects working class women more than rich women.

sounds like a class problem then? maybe economic vulnerability leads to increased vulnerability to identity-based prejudices?

Crow posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

c_man posted:

i do think its shitty that we apparently live in a world where a rich women getting called a name is a worse problem than the exploitation of the underclasses

surely this is a problem that affects working class women more than rich women.

One in three American Indian women have been raped or have experienced an attempted rape, according to the Justice Department. Their rate of sexual assault is more than twice the national average.

i was at a conference recently where a lady talked about going to a meeting at an inuit village, where an inuit lady said "every woman in this room has been raped. no one believes me when i say it, but it is true," then turns to the room and says "raise your hand if you've been raped," & every hand goes up

thirdplace posted:

because a good healthy man does not catcall, he does not rape, he does not hate his mother. if we reject the moral judgment, then the only thing that's left is health and imo that's the most accurate angle anyway.

thats actually the single most significant factor here, and its gone completely unsaid: the vast majority of catcalling homeless people are most likely suffering from severe and completely untreated mental illness. most rationally capable homeless people tend to not insult those who have money they might give to them, and stay out of trouble so that theyre not indiscriminately murdered by the cops doing everything they can to keep our precious city streets safe for Capital

Crow posted:

One in three American Indian women have been raped or have experienced an attempted rape, according to the Justice Department. Their rate of sexual assault is more than twice the national average.

clearly the uncouth Red Barbarian has not been sufficiently punished and chastised by US government agents at the behest of the white savior. im sure it has nothing at all to do with having your entire culture destroyed and surviving one of the worlds most brutal genocides only to be forced into ghettos and raised by multiple successive generations of genetic alcoholism recently activated by White Man's Poison

getfiscal posted:

What's the porn equivalent of the Mcrib?