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you dont need any special undergrad backgruond for law school in the US. i was a math major and they offered me a scholarship. dont know if canada is different
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what do you want to do when you grow up, donald?
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ilmdge posted:

you dont need any special undergrad backgruond for law school in the US. i was a math major and they offered me a scholarship. dont know if canada is different

that's true in canada too but my cumulative gpa, to put it one way, is "untreated psychosis". gpa matters more in canada, so it makes more sense to take a year or two for a masters and possibly get into a top school under special admissions for disabled peeps than to go to a lower ranked school. i also don't have money so there's probably a difference in terms of funding i could get.

i should add that my gpa on my best 60.0 courses (out of 120.0 for a degree) is 3.5 or so, which is bare minimum basically to get into a history masters here i think, but the transcript is so uneven and i don't have good references so i'd have to do a few more courses anyway. also the average undergrad gpa of law school applicants is like 3.7 - 3.9 or so.

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AmericanNazbro posted:

what do you want to do when you grow up, donald?

independent, informed and making a contribution. ideology.

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Law school is a sick joke and a complete waste of 3 years. It is a poisonous institution that damages the profession.

unless you really want to be a lawyer then don't go, and keep in mind that you probably don't really have an idea of what lawyers do day to day and that good law jobs are generally hard to get.
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Poor people are so fat.. Look at this baby, no money, fucking.. .FAT... Flab... Im not asking babies to run marathons, seriously i am NOT.. but you ever wonder why babies, the poorest people, are all FAT, well its the free fucking subsidized infant forumla, healthiest cleanest food, we toss airplane after airplane down the unproductive maws of the big babies.... Lets defeat the baby lobby.. CRUSH IT.... Lets take the candy from the babies and win some victory... please..
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dont go to law school, the jobs where you make goatstein-head sized piles of money are few and far between and take connections and networking to get and youd end up working 80+ hours a week for a long while. youd most likely end up in a job that paid about the level of mine or likourgos' where youd be lucky if you end up with a pile one tenth the size of the stein's humungous melon after years of thankless toil
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Lykourgos posted:

Law school is a sick joke and a complete waste of 3 years. It is a poisonous institution that damages the profession.

unless you really want to be a lawyer then don't go, and keep in mind that you probably don't really have an idea of what lawyers do day to day and that good law jobs are generally hard to get.

dude, you can't tell me to be a lawyer and then tell me NOT to be a lawyer. what if i already applied???

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if i could choose to do anything i'd work on national economic strategy or something, so maybe i should just work really hard at that. i could take some courses to beef up my econ and then apply to econ masters programs. a lot of programs here just want to make sure you can handle the math and only require the equivalent of a minor's worth on econ going into things.
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maybe u can be thomas friedman's successor at nytimes getfiscal, i'd read taht blog, i suggest working on ur mixed metaphors
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aerdil posted:

maybe u can be thomas friedman's successor at nytimes getfiscal, i'd read taht blog, i suggest working on ur mixed metaphors

i would title my column "libertarian musings" but i'd argue for full communism, can't go wrong.

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getfiscal, write a semi-serious econ blog for a few months that shows that you understand the concepts & can do the math. show it around to every school you consider. address your gpa up front and offer it as proof that you do better work when self-motivated

you could certainly do it without much effort on your part, best of luck
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i hope youre not into economics for the nobel prize because i got news for you IT AINT REAL SUcKA!
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daddyholes posted:

getfiscal, write a semi-serious econ blog for a few months that shows that you understand the concepts & can do the math. show it around to every school you consider. address your gpa up front and offer it as proof that you do better work when self-motivated

you could certainly do it without much effort on your part, best of luck

thank you for nice, useful advice!

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TG posted:

i hope youre not into economics for the nobel prize because i got news for you IT AINT REAL SUcKA!

"hey do you want $1.6 million and global recognition for your work"

"no! this prize wasn't established at the same time as other prizes!"

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there are mathematics courses i could take too while living in this small town to get myself up to grad level on math and use the marks as proof of shit.
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I don't know if you should stay in Quebec now that you've seen the light. It's no place for an earnest company man like you. You should seek out members of mossad lealberta to smuggle you to the promised land.
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RescueCreditor posted:

I don't know if you should stay in Quebec now that you've seen the light. It's no place for an earnest company man like you. You should seek out members of mossad lealberta to smuggle you to the promised land.

oh i moved back to ontario a month ago. i live sorta close to toronto now. the idea is i'll level up by grinding at work for a few years here and when i'm ready i'll go to toronto or something to go to school or start a better job. right now i'm going to do a part-time disability recovery program job thing.

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hows life as an uncle
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ilmdge posted:

hows life as an uncle

great! i met my niece the other day. little tiny baby. so cute. i had this idea that i'd use some of my first earnings towards her college fund (because canada has a special savings program) but i did some research and the math doesn't work out at all. like it'd be a nice gesture but it's dumb financially, especially because i've got a lot of debt. so now i have to think of a better christmas gift.

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ontario's child care system is really patchwork and my sister is expecting to pay something like $1,000+ month for her daughter when she goes back to work eventually. it's pretty crazy. in quebec most parents pay like $200 a month or something due to a special program. i'm probably going to make a modesst donation to a child care advocacy program as a sort of gesture at christmas i think. not sure what else to do though. my niece will be just over two months old at christmas and she doesn't really need anything but i feel weird not getting her something cool.
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getfiscal posted:

dude, you can't tell me to be a lawyer and then tell me NOT to be a lawyer. what if i already applied???



I don't think I told you to be a lawyer, but the point is you need to know what the various sorts of lawyers do first, and be at least half way sure that's what you want, because otherwise you're going throw away an awful lot of money and time on a fruitless endeavour.

In terms of compensation, big firm partners are probably drowning in money, but that's a very particular sort of lawyer and you need the right background and network to get that.

If you want to know what prosecutors make, then you should ask about state prosecutors because that's where you'll start (federal government doesn't take many prosecutors fresh out of law school). In one of the largest offices, you'll make about 60k a year starting out, and if you stay you'll reach the low six figures and have a pension in the low six figures. The position comes with other perks and you will make a lot of connections (law enforcement and courts are very large institutions in big cities/counties). There will be opportunities to leave the office if you stay long enough, it just depends on what you want to do; apply to federal? run for judge? go private? compliance? etc. You'll make more money by leaving; I have lots of friends who have left and now do all sorts of things.



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Can i hear more about the lawyers
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Lykourgos posted:

getfiscal posted:

dude, you can't tell me to be a lawyer and then tell me NOT to be a lawyer. what if i already applied???

I don't think I told you to be a lawyer, but the point is you need to know what the various sorts of lawyers do first, and be at least half way sure that's what you want, because otherwise you're going throw away an awful lot of money and time on a fruitless endeavour.

In terms of compensation, big firm partners are probably drowning in money, but that's a very particular sort of lawyer and you need the right background and network to get that.

If you want to know what prosecutors make, then you should ask about state prosecutors because that's where you'll start (federal government doesn't take many prosecutors fresh out of law school). In one of the largest offices, you'll make about 60k a year starting out, and if you stay you'll reach the low six figures and have a pension in the low six figures. The position comes with other perks and you will make a lot of connections (law enforcement and courts are very large institutions in big cities/counties). There will be opportunities to leave the office if you stay long enough, it just depends on what you want to do; apply to federal? run for judge? go private? compliance? etc. You'll make more money by leaving; I have lots of friends who have left and now do all sorts of things.



i would rather be an intern for verso books than prosecute anyone.

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getfiscal posted:

i would rather be an intern for verso books than prosecute anyone.



I don't know what verso books is, but you're pretty clueless about lawyers in general let alone prosecutors, so like roseweird said,

roseweird posted:

it's not really worth responding to him because he is such an outsider and has no grasp of what he is criticizing beyond that he is mad at it existing generally

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i didn't even say much about lawyers, which i agree is something i don't know much about. but is that truly a strike against me. what child that says he wants to be a fireman has done advanced research into the science of flammable substances. they simply want to rush into a fire to save people. likewise, i do not know the details of law, but i will rush into a corporation to ensure its structure is consistent with the maximization of profit.
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Right, and like I said, you're a middling person who'll live and die with no real qualities worth mentioning. Not the end of the world by any means, just know your place and don't forget yourself.
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Lykourgos posted:

Right, and like I said, you're a middling person who'll live and die with no real qualities worth mentioning. Not the end of the world by any means, just know your place and don't forget yourself.

do you consider yourself a middling person. i mean caging poor people seems about the same level as a dogcatcher or something. which isn't a bad thing, just how the world is.

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lykourgos i did not want to bring up this point but i feel now that i must. plato quite explicitly contradicts your assertion that men of law are the best among men, as he clearly ranks politicians as being exactly third best. third, no better, and no worse. now, philosophical souls, and musical ones (such as, incidentally, is my own), he claims to be of the first quality, the very best. now i do not say you are middling, for to be third best of nine classes of souls is after all somewhere above middling, however it is not so far above as your attitude presumes.



I'm happy you read Phaedrus, but it doesn't match up to this thread in such a simple fashion. Plato was clearly very interested in legislation and criminal law enforcement. The creation and governing of human society is the highest practical concern. He wrote heaps of legislation in the Laws, and his highest governing bodies are involved in it. It is the highest practical affair as far as Plato and Aristotle are concerned.

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There is also a distinction to be made between lawmakers and law enforcers
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Similarly, there are distinctions to be made between the different sorts of people who deal with the law, and the different gradations of rank within each section. The American system of government and law is also misshapen and ugly, so nothing is going to be even remotely ideal in this country. Yet, that doesn't determine the quality of your soul itself.
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Lykourgos posted:

I'm happy you read Phaedrus, but it doesn't match up to this thread in such a simple fashion. Plato was clearly very interested in legislation and criminal law enforcement. The creation and governing of human society is the highest practical concern. He wrote heaps of legislation in the Laws, and his highest governing bodies are involved in it. It is the highest practical affair as far as Plato and Aristotle are concerned.


He wrote many laws but despite his attempts he never held any political office or legal authority, so his laws were never enforced.

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getfiscal posted:

is there an optimal body image for media. like a goldilocks number for healthy bodies, or like a portfolio of diverse bodies that would be socially optimal. would it be based on effect on health outcomes or would it be based on prevalence. like if it were proved that showing a bunch of fat people on television makes people more likely to tolerate their own fatness, causing thousands of premature deaths, would we need to throw that into the old calculator when balancing it against eating disorders. as doug stanhope says, for every woman that gets an eating disorder because of skinny models, how many are just in better shape.



i dont get how feminists are always arguing that we need more media portrayals of women who have achieved success in business and corporate finance in order to inspire young girls to greatness, when the media is already chock full of women who acheived success in healthy diets and exercise and all it did was inspire them to wallow in self pity and develop body issues

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oh wait i just figured it out: conformity to Capitalism is itself a neurosis. NEVERMIND
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Crow posted:

Can i hear more about the lawyers




i took the lsat still drunk from the night before and got accepted by duke and uva. stanford's a bunch of cunts tho

but then i got a full stipend for grad school and said fuck that noise i ain't paying for shit

welp that's my law school story and like stone cold steve austin i'm stickin' to it

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roseweird posted:

Lykourgos posted:

I'm happy you read Phaedrus, but it doesn't match up to this thread in such a simple fashion. Plato was clearly very interested in legislation and criminal law enforcement. The creation and governing of human society is the highest practical concern. He wrote heaps of legislation in the Laws, and his highest governing bodies are involved in it. It is the highest practical affair as far as Plato and Aristotle are concerned.

i also, in my musical soul, am very interested in law and its application



I agree, it's a very serious issue that notational practice isn't decided by regal or papal edict anymore

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getfiscal posted:

i would rather be an intern for verso books than prosecute anyone.

reminder that TG got his PD job after calling himself a marxist at the interview