Superabound posted:10 reasons millennials are screwed *points to dinky little post-ban babby magazine for my AR-15* Thanks, Feinstein!
for real though
stegosaurus posted:they are actually taking our guns. is the thing
only, the last couple of years have actually seen major changes in the other direction in gun-related laws and criminal prosecution
gyrofry posted:fact: there were no guns in ancient greece
probably the fundamental argument against their use. Americans talk about defense of the hearth and home, but a strong speararm does just as well and doesn't wind up killing your neighbors if you miss.
ilmdge posted:But, you know what the Greeks did have? That's right...
I love talking about Daidalos' robots and all... but that article is complete dogshit. Let me get this straight... some medieval geniuses thought that Archimedes used mirrors to light boats on fire, but modern science suggests that using steam-based cannons would be more practical, so therefore Archimedes sunk the Roman navy with cannonades? Get the fuck out of here; Plutarch's account of a god-like Archimedes is already good enough without this nonsense.
ilmdge posted:i dunno, i was planning ot make a greek ifre reference but it didnt really fit, not ancient enough
Well, a flame-thrower was used in the Peloponnesian War and has a contemporary source. What is more of a "fire"-arm than that?
"They sawed in two and hollowed out a great beam, which they joined together again very exactly, like a flute, and suspended a vessel by chains at the end of the beam; the iron mouth of a bellows directed downwards into the vessel was attached to the beam, of which a great part was itself overlaid with iron. This machine they brought up from a distance on carts to various points of the rampart where vine stems and wood had been most extensively used, and when it was quite near the wall they applied a large bellows to their own end of the beam, and blew through it. The blast, prevented from escaping, passed into the vessel which contained burning coals and sulphur and pitch; these made a huge flame, and set fire to the rampart, so that no one could remain upon it."
Thucydides, somewhere in book 4 or whatever
"When, therefore, the Romans assaulted them by sea and land, the Syracusans were stricken dumb with terror; they thought that nothing could withstand so furious an onset by such forces. But Archimedes began to ply his engines, and shot against the land forces of the assailants all sorts of missiles and immense masses of stones, which came down with incredible din and speed; nothing whatever could ward off their weight, but they knocked down in heaps those who stood in their way, and threw their ranks into confusion. At the same time huge beams were suddenly projected over the ships from the walls, which sank some of them with great weights plunging down from on high; others were seized at the prow by iron claws, or beaks like the beaks of cranes, drawn straight up into the air, and then plunged stern foremost into the depths, or were turned round and round by means of enginery within the city, and dashed upon the steep cliffs that jutted out beneath the wall of the city, with great destruction of the fighting men on board, who perished in the wrecks. Frequently, too, a ship would be lifted out of the water into mid-air, whirled hither and thither as it hung there, a dreadful spectacle, until its crew had been thrown out and hurled in all directions, when it would fall empty upon the walls, or slip away from the clutch that had held it. As for the engine which Marcellus was bringing up on the bridge of ships, and which was called "sambuca" from some resemblance it had to the musical instrument of that name, while it was still some distance off in its approach to the wall, a stone of ten talents' weight was discharged at it, then a second and a third; some of these, falling upon it with great din and surge of wave, crushed the foundation of the engine, shattered its frame-work, and dislodged it from the platform, so that Marcellus, in perplexity, ordered his ships to sail back as fast as they could, and his land forces to retire.
Then, in a council of war, it was decided to come up under the walls while it was still night, if they could; for the ropes which Archimedes used in his engines, since they imparted great impetus to the missiles cast, would, they thought, send them flying over their heads, but would be ineffective at close quarters, where there was no place for the cast. Archimedes, however, as it seemed, had long before prepared for such an emergency engines with a range adapted to any interval and missiles of short flight, and through many small and contiguous openings in the wall short-range engines called scorpions could be brought to bear on objects close at hand without being seen by the enemy.
When, therefore, the Romans came up under the walls, thinking themselves unnoticed, once more they encountered a great storm of missiles; huge stones came tumbling down upon them almost perpendicularly, and the wall shot out arrows at them from every point; they therefore retired. And here again, when they were some distance off, missiles darted forth and fell upon them as they were going away, and there was great slaughter among them; many of their ships, too, were dashed together, and they could not retaliate in any way upon their foes. For Archimedes had built most of his engines close behind the wall, and the Romans seemed to be fighting against the gods, now that countless mischiefs were poured out upon them from an invisible source.
However, Marcellus made his escape, and jesting with his own artificers and engineers, "Let us stop," said he, "fighting against this geometrical Briareus, who uses our ships like cups to ladle water from the sea, and has whipped and driven off in disgrace our sambuca, and with the many missiles which he shoots against us all at once, outdoes the hundred-handed monsters of mythology." For in reality all the rest of the Syracusans were but a body for the designs of Archimedes, and his the one soul moving and managing everything; for all other weapons lay idle, and his alone were then employed by the city both in offence and defence. At last the Romans became so fearful that, whenever they saw a bit of rope or a stick of timber projecting a little over the wall, "There it is," they cried, "Archimedes is training some engine upon us," and turned their backs and fled. Seeing this, Marcellus desisted from all fighting and assault, and thenceforth depended on a long siege.
And yet Archimedes possessed such a lofty spirit, so profound a soul, and such a wealth of scientific theory, that although his inventions had won for him a name and fame for superhuman sagacity, he would not consent to leave behind him any treatise on this subject, but regarding the work of an engineer and every art that ministers to the needs of life as ignoble and vulgar, he devoted his earnest efforts only to those studies the subtlety and charm of which are not affected by the claims of necessity. These studies, he thought, are not to be compared with any others; in them the subject matter vies with the demonstration, the former supplying grandeur and beauty, the latter precision and surpassing power. For it is not possible to find in geometry more profound and difficult questions treated in simpler and purer terms. Some attribute this success to his natural endowments; others think it due to excessive labour that everything he did seemed to have been performed without labour and with ease. For no one could by his own efforts discover the proof, and yet as soon as he learns it from him, he thinks he might have discovered it himself; so smooth and rapid is the path by which he leads one to the desired conclusion. And therefore we may not disbelieve the stories told about him, how, under the lasting charm of some familiar and domestic Siren, he forgot even his food and neglected the care of his person; and how, when he was dragged by main force, as he often was, to the place for bathing and anointing his body, he would trace geometrical figures in the ashes, and draw lines with his finger in the oil with which his body was anointed, being possessed by a great delight, and in very truth a captive of the Muses. And although he made many excellent discoveries, he is said to have asked his kinsmen and friends to place over the grave where he should be buried a cylinder enclosing a sphere, with an inscription giving the proportion by which the containing solid exceeds the contained.
Such, then, was Archimedes, and, so far as he himself was concerned, he maintained himself and his city unconquered..."
Plutarch, life of some dirty roman
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Lykourgos posted:stegosaurus posted:they are actually taking our guns. is the thing
only, the last couple of years have actually seen major changes in the other direction in gun-related laws and criminal prosecution
the Democrats endless harping on gun control laws is intentionally engineered by jewish politicians to continually fail and sabotage the left, polarize and convert single-issue voters, and swing the Overton Window ever further to the right. its all political theatre
Lykourgos posted:stegosaurus posted:they are actually taking our guns. is the thing
only, the last couple of years have actually seen major changes in the other direction in gun-related laws and criminal prosecution
yes legally. but neoliberal scare tactics and monopolism has made the romanian WASR, benchmark of true freedom, all but unreachable for the common man.
Lykourgos posted:gyrofry posted:
fact: there were no guns in ancient greece
probably the fundamental argument against their use. Americans talk about defense of the hearth and home, but a strong speararm does just as well and doesn't wind up killing your neighbors if you miss.
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stegosaurus posted:Lykourgos posted:stegosaurus posted:they are actually taking our guns. is the thing
only, the last couple of years have actually seen major changes in the other direction in gun-related laws and criminal prosecution
yes legally. but neoliberal scare tactics and monopolism has made the romanian WASR, benchmark of true freedom, all but unreachable for the common man.
...what? you can get it for a couple hundred. prices are all fucked up though for AK's, better to just get an ar15 for the money
AmericanNazbro posted:there was a goon who ran around the backwoods of texas, or maybe florida, at like 4am at night with just a flood light and the camera recording the whole ordeal of him chasing wild pigs with a spear and impaling them. i honestly don't know who was squealing more as the pigs were skewered, the goon or the pigs
I just remember the captions he gave were psychopathic
AmericanNazbro posted:there was a goon who ran around the backwoods of texas, or maybe florida, at like 4am at night with just a flood light and the camera recording the whole ordeal of him chasing wild pigs with a spear and impaling them. i honestly don't know who was squealing more as the pigs were skewered, the goon or the pigs
over the years my best friend and i have gotten in a few arguments over the whole gun control thing, but the other day he suddenly emails me asking for gun purchasing advice. this man, who has previously said that the 2nd Amendment should be completely abolished, wants to start hog hunting in the woods behind his new house. a wild pig'll do things to a man's mind
AmericanNazbro posted:stegosaurus posted:Lykourgos posted:stegosaurus posted:they are actually taking our guns. is the thing
only, the last couple of years have actually seen major changes in the other direction in gun-related laws and criminal prosecution
yes legally. but neoliberal scare tactics and monopolism has made the romanian WASR, benchmark of true freedom, all but unreachable for the common man.
...what? you can get it for a couple hundred. prices are all fucked up though for AK's, better to just get an ar15 for the money
they're like six hundred dollars now
http://www.armslist.com/posts/2141317/idaho-rifles-for-sale--ak-47wasr10
that deal is insane though. 450 plus a bunch of ammo???
Superabound posted:AmericanNazbro posted:there was a goon who ran around the backwoods of texas, or maybe florida, at like 4am at night with just a flood light and the camera recording the whole ordeal of him chasing wild pigs with a spear and impaling them. i honestly don't know who was squealing more as the pigs were skewered, the goon or the pigs
over the years my best friend and i have gotten in a few arguments over the whole gun control thing, but the other day he suddenly emails me asking for gun purchasing advice. this man, who has previously said that the 2nd Amendment should be completely abolished, wants to start hog hunting in the woods behind his new house. a wild pig'll do things to a man's mind
material circumstances of settlerisms a hell of a drug
stegosaurus posted:I've got a yugo sks. I want to get a mosin, I'd like to get a finnish one because the furniture is so nice.
that deal is insane though. 450 plus a bunch of ammo???
counting shipping and ffl ~500 but yeah, the prices are dumb because they're all over the place. i'm sure you can talk the guy down a bit as well so an AK for 400 is possible if you get lucky at a gunshow and buy in person or something. i saw sks on that same site for under $300.
What's your bench bro?? MOA??
