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AmericanNazbro posted:

since this thread is headed this way can we just skip the empty posturing and theatrics and agree that racism/sexism and class are all interconnected and any leftist analysis that doesn't address this is just liberal garbage?



only if we can further agree that the ideal "party" or "movement" would seek to both address each of these issues together in a holistic manner without losing its focus on marxist thought while also providing an umbrella for the disparate, disadvantaged groups to express their own particular grievances

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HenryKrinkle posted:

it started out as a way to hate on tumblr and make fun of otherkin but then quickly devolved into an excuse for brushing aside the genuine concerns of oppressed groups.



maybe in bizarro internet world where LF is thought of as an important cultural force, where it assumed that everyone knows what MRA stands for and that everyone knows what otherkin means

irl it is something that grumpy white male counterpunch readers have been jabbering on about since the 1970s

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solzhesnitchin posted:

HenryKrinkle posted:

it started out as a way to hate on tumblr and make fun of otherkin but then quickly devolved into an excuse for brushing aside the genuine concerns of oppressed groups.

maybe in bizarro internet world where LF is thought of as an important cultural force, where it assumed that everyone knows what MRA stands for and that everyone knows what otherkin means

irl it is something that grumpy white male counterpunch readers have been jabbering on about since the 1970s

LF was an important cultural force, until that fateful day when deafbypills reported mm's threat against the president. The first agent to check out the forum just muttered "jesus christ."

A month later the forum was shut down and the community was a diaspora

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postposting posted:

i still don't know what tumblr is


Imagine WDDP, but with a more esoteric interface and ugly customized "artsy" layouts.

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ilmdge posted:

LF was an important cultural force



i can't tell if you are joking because i have met lf people in real life who actually believe this

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Mike Nelson here.
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SA:LF wasn't shut down because of maggotmaster but because of people making fun of groverhaus.
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UNUSUALY COOL
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i stick with the maggotmaster myth
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getfiscal posted:

SA:LF wasn't shut down because of maggotmaster but because of people making fun of groverhaus.

yeah and 9/11 wasnt a controlled demolition :rolleyes:

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gyrofry posted:

my god,


pureideology

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(For lurkers who were wondering, the above's a well known "meme" within LF.)
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MadMedico posted:

postposting posted:

i still don't know what tumblr is

Imagine WDDP, but with a more esoteric interface and ugly customized "artsy" layouts.



and slightly less crazy people

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gyrofry posted:



for the uninitiated:

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gyrofry posted:

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the first problem is making a general category "identity." it's pretty obvious that race is inherently tied to the functioning of world capitalism and the labor aristocratic system would collapse without it. sexism less so, but at least in the third world women have been the most revolutionary fighters for communism.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that gay or trans oppression is inherent to capitalism or has any value whatsoever outside of those first world communities. Regardless, all of these struggles are subservient to communism anyway because they are entirely negative struggles. queerness, not whiteness, femininity are negative categories in a dialectic to power and these struggles are the attempt to destroy these categories. it is only communism which can actually create something new and unite all people of the world. not sure why people think I'm some nutjob because I think provocatively sometimes when others are afraid of offending the labor-aristocrats who fancy themselves oppressed.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

not sure why people think I'm some nutjob because I think provocatively sometimes when others are afraid of offending the labor-aristocrats who fancy themselves oppressed.

socialism isn't real.

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Mike Nelson here.
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head's up: socialism: not real. go do something else.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

the first problem is making a general category "identity." it's pretty obvious that race is inherently tied to the functioning of world capitalism and the labor aristocratic system would collapse without it. sexism less so, but at least in the third world women have been the most revolutionary fighters for communism.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that gay or trans oppression is inherent to capitalism or has any value whatsoever outside of those first world communities. Regardless, all of these struggles are subservient to communism anyway because they are entirely negative struggles. queerness, not whiteness, femininity are negative categories in a dialectic to power and these struggles are the attempt to destroy these categories. it is only communism which can actually create something new and unite all people of the world. not sure why people think I'm some nutjob because I think provocatively sometimes when others are afraid of offending the labor-aristocrats who fancy themselves oppressed.


none of the things you say make any sense because you are a deluded psychopath

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identity politics and the grand project of the left are not in opposition but in dialectical harmony btw because communism is fucking gay
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babyhueypnewton posted:

the first problem is making a general category "identity." it's pretty obvious that race is inherently tied to the functioning of world capitalism and the labor aristocratic system would collapse without it. sexism less so, but at least in the third world women have been the most revolutionary fighters for communism.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that gay or trans oppression is inherent to capitalism or has any value whatsoever outside of those first world communities. Regardless, all of these struggles are subservient to communism anyway because they are entirely negative struggles. queerness, not whiteness, femininity are negative categories in a dialectic to power and these struggles are the attempt to destroy these categories. it is only communism which can actually create something new and unite all people of the world. not sure why people think I'm some nutjob because I think provocatively sometimes when others are afraid of offending the labor-aristocrats who fancy themselves oppressed.



communist countries (both current and former) are all much more inhospitable to homosexuals than capitalist ones. makes u thingk...

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babyhueypnewton posted:

the first problem is making a general category "identity." it's pretty obvious that race is inherently tied to the functioning of world capitalism and the labor aristocratic system would collapse without it. sexism less so, but at least in the third world women have been the most revolutionary fighters for communism.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that gay or trans oppression is inherent to capitalism or has any value whatsoever outside of those first world communities. Regardless, all of these struggles are subservient to communism anyway because they are entirely negative struggles. queerness, not whiteness, femininity are negative categories in a dialectic to power and these struggles are the attempt to destroy these categories. it is only communism which can actually create something new and unite all people of the world. not sure why people think I'm some nutjob because I think provocatively sometimes when others are afraid of offending the labor-aristocrats who fancy themselves oppressed.


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yo heres a three step guide i made for turning gay marriage into a site of resistance against capitalism:
1. lmao
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solzhesnitchin posted:

ilmdge posted:

LF was an important cultural force

i can't tell if you are joking because i have met lf people in real life who actually believe this



name names

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tpaine posted:

the problem with identity politics is really just a subset of the major issue which is that people are inherently ungovernable and not worth saving from themselves, this is the inherent flaw of any kind of grand design. we don't fucking deserve it



but humans made the final fantasy series, thomas. if humanity went extinct, it would be the end of the final fantasy franchise as we know it.

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Panopticon posted:

yo heres a three step guide i made for turning gay marriage into a site of resistance against capitalism:
1. lmao

what are steps 2 and 3

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2. stand on an illuminated float wearing nothing but lingerie and sex toys
3. complain that you cant die for bush's oil profits
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can we define what identity politics are here? are there non-bourgeois iterations of identity politics? when i think identity politics i automatically assume it's liberalism. is that incorrect?

like i just assume it to be the equivalent of fighting for the rights of gays in the military or something. i don't even think that causes a change in cultural perception of gays, it's more along the lines of how the civil rights movement gave blacks equal rights in the eyes of the law but their segregation rates and poverty levels remained identical to before that period. correct me if i'm wrong here.
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women's "liberation"
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getfiscal posted:

socialism isn't real.



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identify my balls
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tardy on these heaters
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AmericanNazbro posted:

can we define what identity politics are here? are there non-bourgeois iterations of identity politics? when i think identity politics i automatically assume it's liberalism. is that incorrect?

like i just assume it to be the equivalent of fighting for the rights of gays in the military or something. i don't even think that causes a change in cultural perception of gays, it's more along the lines of how the civil rights movement gave blacks equal rights in the eyes of the law but their segregation rates and poverty levels remained identical to before that period. correct me if i'm wrong here.



did you just compare gay rights and civil rights so as to say that the civil right movement was bullshit?

this forum is beyond self-parody

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no, but if you want to be an obtuse idiot and read it that way have fun?
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like i'm not going to waste my time tediously explaining in pedantic detail each and every word because you have autism or something and are failing to understand a really simply idea that's being put forth. also because expending that much effort will be met with the same level of dismissal and obtuse contention over semantics
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like i didnt even say gay rights was bullshit. christ
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you said you automatically think of gay rights as bourgeois liberalism and then say its equivalent to the civil rights movement. dont get mad get even
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gay men are bougie as fuck. sory about your Reloveution