HenryKrinkle posted:heaping disdain on "identity politics" is p. dumb.
its very aughties, its like the leftist infighting equivelent of reggaeton and the Chappelle Show
HenryKrinkle posted:heaping disdain on "identity politics" is p. dumb.
it's not but somehow goons desecrate every single thing with awful aesthetics so whatever
HenryKrinkle posted:it started out as a way to hate on tumblr and make fun of otherkin but then quickly devolved into an excuse for brushing aside the genuine concerns of oppressed groups.
babyhewy makes some good points, henry...
HenryKrinkle posted:heaping disdain on "identity politics" is p. dumb.
the anger toward ID politics here is about 20% legitimate criticism and 80% jealousy
IMO identity politics can't achieve much more than attacking the symptoms of deeper problems though. by endorsing a sort of tribalism it also seems to encourage and legitimize groups like MRAs to
HenryKrinkle posted:it started out as a way to hate on tumblr and make fun of otherkin but then quickly devolved into an excuse for brushing aside the genuine concerns of oppressed groups.
TG posted:i find that i make very little headway trying to convince black people or gay people that class is more important than race or sexuality, especially when i brush off all of their concerns as frivolous single-issue handwaving
have you considered that your problems come from being POOR and not from being BLACK? -me, to a black lady at the 7/11
VoxNihili posted:by endorsing a sort of tribalism it also seems to encourage and legitimize groups like MRAs to
the assumption here, of course, is that white straight cis male marxists aren't endorsing a sort of tribalism themselves.
HenryKrinkle posted:VoxNihili posted:by endorsing a sort of tribalism it also seems to encourage and legitimize groups like MRAs to
the assumption here, of course, is that white straight cis male marxists aren't endorsing a sort of tribalism themselves.
why do you assume the marxists are all white straight cis males
VoxNihili posted:HenryKrinkle posted:VoxNihili posted:by endorsing a sort of tribalism it also seems to encourage and legitimize groups like MRAs to
the assumption here, of course, is that white straight cis male marxists aren't endorsing a sort of tribalism themselves.
why do you assume the marxists are all white straight cis males
he didnt, but he said white male marxists, if they scoff at the concerns of minorities and women, may themselves be creating a division
HenryKrinkle posted:accusing identity politics of dividing the left is a cool way to divide the left.
uh, the left isn't some giant homogenous entity of pure revolutionary force, it's mostly worthless liberals actually subverting it. i don't mean that hyperbolically but the west is nothing but degenerates masquerading as "leftists". like, have you seen what happened with the internal hierarchy of the "non-hierarchical" OWS movement?
c'mon henry, this is really fucking stupid. that fact this is even brought up serves to elucidate just how many worthless leftists there are that fuck up leftist movements. if you look at why and how leftist movements fail it's always because some moron subverts it from the inside and capitulates with capital. either a union official or a shitty ass trot being a shitty ass trot
HenryKrinkle posted:neglecting racism is particularly insane because so much of modern capitalism is rooted in white supremacy. you still see it today w/ non-whites generally comprising most of the world's impoverished majority.
no one is neglecting racism are you fucking kidding? what the hell dude? can you differentiate between BHPN and like, the entirety of the left that doesn't at all share his views? no one here even agrees with what he says so where are you getting this?
that identity politics do not provide an overarching analysis and can lead to some dumb places doesn't really seem like a reason to discredit them entirely since ideology should be thought of primarily as a tool anyway.