In the Midwest, though, the racial divide can be shockingly exact. In Chicago, bands of whites, blacks, and Latinos radiate out from the city center like sun beams. In St. Louis, a buffer of a few blocks separates a vast area of largely black citizens from another of white and Asian ones. In Detroit, the most segregated city in America according to one recent study, there’s no buffer at all. We see how 8 Mile Road serves as the dividing line between two largely homogenous swaths–one predominantly white and one predominantly black.
http://www.wired.com/design/2013/08/how-segregated-is-your-city-this-eye-opening-map-shows-you
http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html
its weird to me what kind of things a person who lives in a big nice house in stl must think when they drive past all of the condemned buildings and economic ruin on their way back from trader joes or whatever
piss posted:its weird to me what kind of things a person who lives in a big nice house in stl must think when they drive past all of the condemned buildings and economic ruin on their way back from trader joes or whatever
"*sigh* if only they'd had the decency to pay attention in school"
roseweird posted:http://www.urbanresearchmaps.org/plurality/narrative.htm#brooklyn
as much as I hate new york city, something like 90% of my family, or more appropriately "mass of people that I am related to," live in north jamaica in $750,000 dollar houses with jobs like mechanics or the people who hold those sticks at the airport to guide planes down.
i dont understand how this is possible, i was talking to my dad and he has no idea either, it just doesn't make sense. is 99% of nyc's population either under section 8 or public housing? how do poor people even live there, let alone survive.
Signed,
~king of ny
piss posted:i live 20 minutes from stl and its really crazy how harshly the distinction from one block to another is. you can drive down a street and practically see the income levels fluctuating. one street will be gated the very next rundown
its weird to me what kind of things a person who lives in a big nice house in stl must think when they drive past all of the condemned buildings and economic ruin on their way back from trader joes or whatever
"are the car doors locked?"
The only things that come to mind might be industrial cities in the periods of migration from Europe and perhaps pre-Columbian America, but the Melting Pot / Noble Savage theories don't strike me as things a bunch of self-described Marxists would be holding up as exemplars
And besides, wanting one's neighborhood to become more diverse strikes me as an exclusively white sentiment to have
tentativelurkeraccount posted:true. Under the reasonable assumption that these neighborhoods bring in the same income I see nothing wrong here.
Then it is a class issue, not racial... should we be surprised that in an inequitable society the rich and poor do not live amongst each other? I really don't grasp the parable behind these maps.
But if you do want to just accept the presupposition that racism is undesirable, then I want to point out that your posting perfectly reflects Bonilla-Silva's "Naturalization" dimension of his color-blind racism analysis.
haha, these interviewee's are just like "well, it's just how nature unfolds." they are totally oblivious to any sort of intentional government policies or other black managing practices. It's as though redlining, blockbusting, government-endorsed suburbanization, etc never happened and neighborhoods just simply settle as nature intends.
The bit about business school is a good example of racism along class lines. Though, again, I suppose you could just simplify it to a class analysis and leave out the racial component.
gyrofry posted:aesthetics bitch
codywilson posted:I suppose you could just simplify it to a class analysis and leave out the racial component.
I think class analysis is more useful as to the issues of who lives in what neighborhoods, and who is in business school, but if we want to focus on race, it raises a troubling question that I think liberals and leftists alike might not be able to answer. In some hypothetical absence of class differences, would we expect to see fully (or at least satisfactorily, since these maps seem to be so vexing to everyone) racially integrated neighborhoods and social circles?
gyrofry posted:yes because in the course of eliminating class differences, we must destroy the racial chauvinism of the ashkenazim through forced miscegenation
The locals have dubbed it "Little Africa." "It's like we have a piece of the great safari in our own backyard, you know?" said Glen, a Detroit small business owner who heads the experimental "Mo-town lovers" community organization which aims to improve the city's image and encourage tourism.
The community, running from Jefferson rd to Rockway ave, is actually a mass of 12 city blocks. Little Africa is home to some of the up-and-coming African Americans in Detroit who are really starting to build a name for themselves through their entrepreneurial endeavors.
Take for example Marcus Brown, a 34 year old father of two who recently started a dry cleaning service. His company, "Brown's Cleaning," is giving serious competition to the historic and well established dry cleaners in the area. "The trick is all about efficiency," said Brown when asked what his secret is. "If you do a good job - consistently - then you won't have a problem building a costumer base ... Really you have to get the word out though. I'm lucky enough have moved into Little Africa after is was already formed. There's a great community here who are happy to throw support behind the new comers in town."
While the block features plenty of success stories, there is a dark side to Detroit's Little Africa. "I know a few people who've had bikes stolen from them riding on the outskirts of it. You know, I gotta tell my boys 'don't ride through it - go around if you gotta, but don't go through it'" explains one disgruntled Detroit resident who wanted to remain anonymous. And his concerns aren't so off the mark. Recent reports about car break-ins and suspicious activity have been filed which confirm the questionable atmosphere of the area.
But even through this fog of fear, the Little Africa community is showing its full resilience. The families of the area have been organizing into disciplined community watch groups with rather impressive adaptability. One active mother told us "just gotta get the word out and always be watchful. if you think you smell something's wrong, chances are you're on to something."
However the community unfolds in the future, one thing is for sure: Little Africa is a much appreciated rising star in crumbling Detroit.
codywilson posted:
The community, running from Jefferson rd to Rockway ave, is actually a mass of 12 city blocks. Little Africa is home to some of the up-and-coming African Americans in Detroit who are really starting to build a name for themselves through their entrepreneurial endeavors.
Take for example Marcus Brown, a 34 year old father of two who recently started a dry cleaning service. His company, "Brown's Cleaning," is giving serious competition to the historic and well established dry cleaners in the area. "The trick is all about efficiency," said Brown when asked what his secret is. "If you do a good job - consistently - then you won't have a problem building a costumer base ... Really you have to get the word out though. I'm lucky enough have moved into Little Africa after is was already formed. There's a great community here who are happy to throw support behind the new comers in town."
While the block features plenty of success stories, there is a dark side to Detroit's Little Africa. "I know a few people who've had bikes stolen from them riding on the outskirts of it. You know, I gotta tell my boys 'don't ride through it - go around if you gotta, but don't go through it'" explains one disgruntled Detroit resident who wanted to remain anonymous. And his concerns aren't so off the mark. Recent reports about car break-ins and suspicious activity have been filed which confirm the questionable atmosphere of the area.
But even through this fog of fear, the Little Africa community is showing its full resilience. The families of the area have been organizing into disciplined community watch groups with rather impressive adaptability. One active mother told us "just gotta get the word out and always be watchful. if you think you smell something's wrong, chances are you're on to something."
However the community unfolds in the future, one thing is for sure: Little Africa is a much appreciated rising star in crumbling Detroit.
oh, i didnrt even realize that was detroit. i used to drive in this arae all the time. there was an elementary school that got shot up a few miles south of this location 2 years ago, happened during school hours
Groulxsmith posted:but what cases in history have there been where disparate races and cultures and nations were integrated on some "acceptable" scale?
my bed
roseweird posted:i'm sure that's true for some people but it's pretty naive to think property owners don't play an active role in the racial composition of neighborhoods they choose to develop. i would think you'd be all over this, you can blame it on jews
"jews dont own property" lol
roseweird posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_urban_areas
those arent maps! you cant smart target statistical wikicharts