being christian is wrong because it's wrong. And, if you're a christian, society, legal or angry mob, will justifiably separate you and your psychosis from the rest of the world.
tpaine posted:who the fuck is this retard?
mustang19
roseweird posted:babyfinland posted:roseweird posted:babyfinland posted:roseweird posted:codywilson posted:if i can get away with it then, i am allowed to kill as i please
well considering that people kill and get away with it constantly (soldiers) and they frequently break down in abject psychological horror at what they've done despite being praised for their crimes, i'd say that shame and guilt are real because killing is just simply wrong and almost every human knows this, and the ones who don't are insane
i think not being psychologically damaged is the definition of not being insane
that's absolutely not true tho? insane means... unclean, wrong, and dangerous, not in one's right mind. people suffer all sorts of psychological damage without going insane. everyone acquires some psychological damage in the course of life
i think its weird to say that if people dont break down after going to war they are insane, but the people who do are not insane. being able to cope with stuff without the state intervening doesnt mean youre insane
i didn't say that ones who don't break down are insane, i said that people who don't grasp that killing is wrong are insane. i think lots of people who don't break down still deal with guilt, which is my point, i think people feel guilt whether they outwardly believe their killings were wrong or not... even justified killings cause people guilt.
ok fair enough. but i dont think not viewing war as the same as murder makes you insane either. you can understand that killing is wrong but comprehend wartime situations differently. thats not crazy.
babyfinland posted:tpaine posted:who the fuck is this retard?
mustang19
"oh crap, got nothing.. I know, i'll use sly name-calling tactics to debase his image so that others will think less of him, thereby maintaining my own facade of intelligence. flawless"
codywilson posted:babyfinland posted:tpaine posted:who the fuck is this retard?
mustang19
"oh crap, got nothing.. I know, i'll use sly name-calling tactics to debase his image so that others will think less of him, thereby maintaining my own facade of intelligence. flawless"
im not even arguing with you shitdick
i dont think youre mustang anymore but youre about as autistic as him so i think you belong here
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blinkandwheeze posted:Oh my god everyone please stop talking
codywilson is mustang, please ifap
codywilson posted:"but, but, religions are just making it all up! there isn't any kind of factual, objective, scientific, empirical appeal there!"
"hey bro, you can't kill people, because, don't kill people"
Yeah, pretty much. "Don't kill people" is purely prescriptive. While we can come up with lots of reasons why killing people is bad, in the end you just have to accept that killing people is wrong or you are in violation of one of our most important ethical commandments, commands that we live by probably because they have proven felicitous to human survival. Obey or prepare for punishment. Religion, on the other hand, doesn't see itself as purely prescriptive, but masquerades as description, and provides metaphysical reasons and justifications for following its commandments – some of which are felicitous to human life on their own, and others which aren't. It's the incoherence of the descriptive side of religion, and some of the bad ethical commands that result from these confusions that are the problem, not prescriptive talk in general.
DON'T WORRY HENRY I AM HERE TO HELP - much love from BnW
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roseweird posted:mod fight!! MOD FIGHT
actually we discussed this privately and respect each others positions
jools posted:actually we discussed this privately and respect each others positions
roseweird posted:i'm glad you are arguing against the outright rejection of religion here but i just can't follow the jumps in your thinking. now it's true that at various times in history people have been killed for being an atheist or a christian, by killers who might hold the belief that all atheists or christians should be killed, but this is not endemic to the human condition. killing is universally prohibited among humans because death is frightening, and humans seek to remove dangerous elements. humans who have never heard of christianity won't kill or exile you for being christian, but they will kill or exile you for being a murderer. now you seem to be imagining some borg-like entity to which the death of a few humans is meaningless because it has no concept of individuality or some other sci-fi shit like that, but here in reality all such questions are a matter of actually living humans, and as such are addressed to the reality that most humans cannot kill without guilt, and most humans are frightened when other humans are killed...
its funny people fear death because death is simply the coolest thing there is
threads the rhizzone has had in the past on this issue seem to confirm this.
activists in texas and ohio (much derided "liberals," probably) are attempting to defend women from a reactionary onslaught and all we're doing here is jacking off to meaningless discussion of religion.