discipline posted:
no I'm not, I'm laughing that it's such a cynical pet issue for flagless neoliberal imperialists and that you are upset for me saying so as opposed to being upset that 90% of african american children are on food stamps?
so what you're telling me is i should concentrate on the starving children, not the dumb words about how lgbt issues are just neoliberalism in disguise, have to be put off, are actually bad for the starving children, etc. hrrm.
gyrofry posted:
let's all argue and shit stead of driving people out at the drop of a hat
arguing with reactionary cretins is boring anymore
a fat chocobo is usually hidden. give it some greens, and it can carry all yo party's shit. if the west indies needed spice, they looked east. word.
Groulxsmith posted:
i don't agree with him on this at all but i don't think lessons is specifically taking sides with obama & co on this, rather taking a more abstract position that is a bit more valid than painting it that way
of course not, he fancies himself a Revolutionary Communist so he's engaging in trotty Constructive Criticism
Groulxsmith posted:
i don't agree with him on this at all but i don't think lessons is specifically taking sides with obama & co on this, rather taking a more abstract position that is a bit more valid than painting it that way
yes, it's specifically the notion that not only is obama Doing Imperialism, but in fact he shouldn't be paying attention to lgbt issues because they aren't important enough at this juncture. nobody addressed this so far btw, just shouted about imperialism and how i'm calling them bigots or something.
discipline posted:
pakistine
babyfinland posted:
youre strawmanning
if so then to a far lesser degree than the two of you
Lessons posted:babyfinland posted:
youre strawmanningif so then to a far lesser degree than the two of you
ok cool agreed go back to wddp now
babyfinland posted:
ok cool agreed go back to wddp now
aha wow, got confused for a second there. with all you flipping out over the mildest criticism of your weird ideology, i thought i was already back there!
Lessons posted:babyfinland posted:
ok cool agreed go back to wddp nowaha wow, got confused for a second there. with all you flipping out over the mildest criticism of your weird ideology, i thought i was already back there!
go back to wddp
discipline posted:Lessons posted:
aha wow, got confused for a second there. with all you flipping out over the mildest criticism of your weird ideology, i thought i was already back there!suggesting identity politics are being cynically coopted by imperialism and meaninglessly propagandized in election media??? what a WACkY ideology!!!1
Bourgeois LGBT compradorship is bad for LGBT people and bad for the third world. Therefore we should hem and haw about filthy shit that Clinton spews because I don't want to upset the white supremacist American gay leadership
anistorian posted:
its due to traffic congestion that the first world spends a majority of their time admiring the infrastructure over the superstructure.
jools posted:
it would probably help if you were criticising the manner in which obama or whoever is talking about LGBT stuff rather than criticising the fact he's talking about it at all. FWiW
Maybe but if he was talking about Muslims, POC or the Third WorldI'd respond the same way. For SOME REASON Mr. Lessons is particularly sensitive and defensive about the LGBT politic even when its blatantly mobilized for imperialist, white supremacist gains
jools posted:
it would probably help if you were criticising the manner in which obama or whoever is talking about LGBT stuff rather than criticising the fact he's talking about it at all. FWiW
because timing is a stamp best left to post aboot (eternally on the face of legitimate chronology).
discipline posted:
suggesting identity politics are being cynically coopted by imperialism and meaninglessly propagandized in election media??? what a WACkY ideology!!!1
whatever meaningful criticisms you might have there are overshadowed by your approach, e.g., to compare lgbt issues unfavorably to what you consider the more important problems for US policymakers, to refer to them as 'polishing the silver', etc. this has been my consistent point that you've consistently ignored.
babyfinland posted:
lol speaking of being ignored
its cool like a sea cucumber. see, there was never a pickle.
Lessons posted:discipline posted:
suggesting identity politics are being cynically coopted by imperialism and meaninglessly propagandized in election media??? what a WACkY ideology!!!1whatever meaningful criticisms you might have there are overshadowed by your approach, e.g., to compare lgbt issues unfavorably to what you consider the more important problems for US policymakers, to refer to them as 'polishing the silver', etc. this has been my consistent point that you've consistently ignored.
address me or die
babyfinland posted:
lol speaking of being ignored
i'm directing these towards you as well, but to be a little more specific, yes, the tendency in which privileged white gay men dominate the discourse on lgbt issues is deeply problematic, not only in the service of imperialism but also within queer communities of the imperialist nations. yet you come across as though you're only interested in these issues to the extent that they can be mobilized in the support of your politics, and that's problematic as well; at best it's going to fall on deaf ears and more likely amounts to throwing fuel on the fire.
Lessons posted:babyfinland posted:
lol speaking of being ignoredi'm directing these towards you as well, but to be a little more specific, yes, the tendency in which privileged white gay men dominate the discourse on lgbt issues is deeply problematic, not only in the service of imperialism but also within queer communities of the imperialist nations. yet you come across as though you're only interested in these issues to the extent that they can be mobilized in the support of your politics, and that's problematic as well; at best it's going to fall on deaf ears and more likely amounts to throwing fuel on the fire.
the LGBT petty bourgeoiscan get correct or get in line behind fascism, i dont care. the third world does not need to respond to LGBT concerns if theyre voiced through imperialists