#121
since when did a nitwit like you get so tasteful
#122
rhizzone easter egg, the oscilloscope can be used to play Asteroids if your post includes real dog balls
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#124
why did this garbage thread get put on the front page wtf
#125

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

why did this garbage thread get put on the front page wtf


catchphrase

#126

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

why did this garbage thread get put on the front page wtf

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#129
land is, to me, like if someone kidnapped and imprisoned an ideologically confused smug matrix teen from 2000 and locked him in a room with flatscreen tvs that say "YOUR SMART" for many years, much like the movie 'old boy'
#130
nick land reminds me of this


acephalousuniverse posted:

Haha i just noticed this aaaaarg.org comment that calls nick land "the cry-wank of british deleuzianism itself"



almost exclusively at this point

#131
did anyone see that tumblr guy who got real mad that oneohtrix point never used his japanese video game screencaps in that video
#132

acephalousuniverse posted:

did anyone see that tumblr guy who got real mad that oneohtrix point never used his japanese video game screencaps in that video


link

#133
its actually not that outrageous except conceptually and he's fairly reasonable about it, i just think it's funny to describe it that was cuz that's what it is

http://fmtownsmarty.tumblr.com/post/62954040834/nintendo-fun-machine

edit: im sure everyones seen it but the video is at http://www.pointnever.com/
#134
that video was directed by jon rafman who has the g.o.a.t. tumblr imo
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#136

tpaine posted:

whenever i'm engrossed in one of his books and someone tries to talk to my i just put my finger up to their lips and hushedly say "i'm in nick land"



so that's where you are!

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#138
"Something has spoken to me in the night, burning the tapers of the waning year; something has spoken in the night, and told me I shall die, I know not where. Saying: 'To lose the earth you know, for greater knowing; to lose the life you have for greater life; to leave the friends you loved, for greater loving; to find a land more kind than home, more large than earth —
— Whereon the pillars of this earth are founded, toward which the conscience of the world is tending — a wind is rising, and the rivers flow.'
-tpaine, 2013
#139
O lost,
And by the wind grieved,
Ghost,
Come back again.
#140

prohairesis posted:

vaporwave & the whole previous chillwave/hypnagogic pop & witch house/"seapunk" irony-pseudo-scenes are obviously tied to the tumblr current of subversion, detournement and/or adoption of dated/repulsive/dejected imagery. dated advertisement and fashion, beyond perverted & decayed porn, bottom of the barrel braindead hi-fi post-human corporate pop, pre-Web 2.0 pixelated artifacts resting like dead cocoons in angelfire and geocities pages, 90s hip hop cassette culture, and the older glitch art are all consumed into narrativeless sensory overload. though it's mostly not so much satire as deliberately unconscious acceptance of simultaneous self-loathing, narrativeless pomo lust, the cultural debris that permeates our lives etc. if industrial music, disco, the post-punk music genres, hip hop, avant-garde & free jazz, post-john cage classical music, post-duchamp art in general & performance art dealt with the Death of Modernism and Sprawl of Postmodernism, the post-internet debris cult is comparable to them as a defeated response to late capitalism. the technoeschatology has been accepted & there are no endless possibilities in every new moment, just blissful death drive & fateful immanence to make our genes sing in the void



fortunate that witch house was adopted by russian and eastern european bedroom dwellers who discarded all this absurd baggage and ascended it to what it was always meant to be, music about unironically being a spooky witch

*20,000 words about how the cross-genre renaissance in music about occultism and worshiping the devil is the very best, like no one ever was*

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#143

Crow posted:

deadken posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

All of this is just a schizoid reaction to feminism by unwanted, redundant beta males.

People who are getting happily laid and cuddled don’t become ‘Theonomists’

i think my period of peak frantic sexhavery coincided with peak fascism tho

woa, hold up, the peak of your misogyny coincided with the peak of your fascism? Hold up. Wait a minute. Hold up. Wait a minute. Hold up wait a minute wait a minute hold up

ahaha

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#145
Some guy came out of nowhere to post a series of rambling blog posts tying all this shit together on, of all places, a voegelin fan site. They're worth reading and touch on all aspects of the internet zeitgeist, but here are some of the funnier parts:

The “alt right” rose to prominence due to its public support for Donald Trump during the 2016 US presidential election, but has much deeper roots in online “neo-reaction” and European “identarian movements” that have been emerging over the past decade. It speaks the exciting, facetious language of post-modern youth culture. It says: if you want to be a real “hipster” mining the past for prioritised goods, don’t just reanimate its material culture – its ball gowns and typewriters – rediscover its morals. Start reading Oswald Spengler, Joseph de Maistre and Thomas Carlyle because no one else is. Start worshipping the Great Man theory of history and naïve naturalism of Nietzsche, so easily bolted to the Gnostic fantasy worlds of computer war-games with all their militarism and magical technology. Take down that picture of Ché and that Soviet propaganda art, kids, and put up Yukio Mishima and Futurist art (and maybe even a picture of Hitler to shock people at just how “alternative” you really are). Christianity might have even become “cool” again, if only because of the authoritarian social value it is perceived as possessing for keeping radicals and Islamism down.



For the past thirty years Land has been trying to turn repellence into an art form. Back in the 90’s, when he was a communist (or something vaguely approximating it), Land made a cult name for himself by inventing “theory fiction”. A kind of extremely puerile mash of Nietzsche, Deleuze, the consumer waste of Georges Bataille and the sort of dated cyberpunk futurism one finds in all those z-grade Lawnmower Man films of the 1990s. Land has only ever believed in two things: techno-capitalism and Freud’s “death instinct”, both of which he takes together as a liberating solvent “accelerating” towards dissolution. Modernity emerges out of Europe at the end of the Middle Ages like a mechanical disease, destined to digest the entire planet until man evanesces like “some loathsome dream” into the machinery.

Brutally anti-humanist, Land in his desire for transhumanist salvation in the 1990s conjured up a paranoid world where fascists, priests, humanists and just about everyone who wasn’t him became one and the same. A force of “Turing Cops” trying to hold back the liberating dissolution of mankind into the machine. They all want to keep man a peasant digging over the same piece of ground forever, because of their fear of him internalising an alien “cyberplague” of techno-capitalism that has taken on a life of its own. Land so hates the human race that the only thing it seems good for is for producing a liberated Nietzschean posthuman. As Nietzsche cried out, and Deleuze imitated: “the levelling process of European man is the great process which should not be checked: one should even accelerate it”. As John Gray has said: “Nietzsche never escaped from the Christian world-view he attacked. His idea of the superman shows him trying to construct a new redemptive myth.” Voegelin would surely agree. What we have with Land is a kind of highly predictable and rather banal millenarian heresy delivered through magical machinery.



The fact is that Deleuze and Guattari (far more influential than the former on his own) made their cosmos of fold-up schizoid sex machines look so damn hip, rebellious and edgy. Surely if everyone becomes a desublimated posthuman Anti-Oedipus or a “nomad” technocrat with their own computer, the magic of the cyborg rhizome can cure the world of evil patriarchs, humanists and dualists? So what if the Israeli military uses Deleuze and Guattari’s A Thousand Plateaus as a military guidebook or that governments have been thinking about the internet as “rhizome” at least as long as hackers? To call Deleuze’s ideas merely groovy “packaging” to cover over a hollow “nonsense machine” like Roger Scruton does misses the point that packaging sells. We live in an era of edgy kitsch still trying to mine the undead rebelliousness of the Space Age. Certainly both Foucault and Žižek have suspected that our age is already an ideologically “Deleuzian epoch” – one of pop Nietzscheism and the tacky fetishism of mutants, robots and banal transgression for its own sake. To call what Deleuze produced an accidental neo-liberal pure ideology incapable of being alternative or “outsider” today is an understatement.



On another note, there was an amusing now-deleted tumblr post passed around in the reactionary blogosphere citing lf and its diaspora as the prototype of 'ironic' internet fascism. This is probably wrong (or not, remember when everyone was reading cyclonopedia?) but its funny to think of this whole situation as an SA/4chan feud. But this is just why none of this is worth taking seriously. Your average internet fascist has far more in common with his communist counterparts than he does with any existing far-right organization. The latter would probably be unable to tell them apart. People like land can fuck off to singapore and subsist on drugs, others will get publishing deals and sell books to bitter 30 year old computer programmers in open relationships.

forgot the link https://voegelinview.com/author/jonathan-ratcliffe/

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#146

kinch posted:

Your average internet fascist has far more in common with his communist counterparts than he does with any existing far-right organization. The latter would probably be unable to tell them apart.


There's a pont to be made about irony and the dangers thereof but I'm not sure it's wise to flippantly rehabilitate horseshoe theory in this way. The only similarities are aesthetic and even then the case is overstated - it is only the medium-specific aesthetics that are similar (use of memes, common in-jokes, etc). Insofar as old school nazis are unfamiliar with internet culture, sure, they may be unable to work out who is who, but so what?

If the point is that commmunist internet culture lends itself to opportunists like Land who were never really red and eventually show their true colours, okay, but hasn't this always been the case? I'm not sure there is anything different these days besides the window dressing

#147
I didn't mean to imply anything like horseshoe theory. These people couldn't be more different. It's just that to any actually existing, boots on the ground reactionary movement in the US, we're totally indistinguishable from the twitter fascists. You can look up for yourself the many incidents of some alt-right loser getting his ass kicked by actual neo-nazis. Whenever a french or russian reactionary gets linked on a more mainstream hardcore rightist site, the comments are flooded with denouncements along the lines of 'suspect jewish shit.'

I think there's altogether too much attention paid to these people. They're just disgruntled engineers who understand the world with whatever passes as an algorithm. None of them actually want power, because then their ideas would fail. When the tech-bubble bursts, it will be all over.
#148
yo hey hi what's up i wasted my teenage years on this shit. it sure does feel great to be autistic
#149
Hey I just came into this thread too and have also wasted my life. Well, as to the division between the internet meme fash and the cliqued-up gang-for-life fash, I don't think there's that clear cut of a difference. There's a kinda well-known video of a meme Nazi getting his ass kicked by threepers, which made him look like a goober, but the meme Nazi was in fact a cliqued-up WP guy who had spent time in prison and would later get into some heavy trouble with his crew. I've got an effort post on fascism coming up in a let's read thread. Stay tuned.
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#151
how do we purge ourselves of fascist culture
we must become the pitiless censors of ourselves
#152

blinkandwheeze posted:

that video was directed by jon rafman who has the g.o.a.t. tumblr imo


#153

trakfactri posted:

I've got an effort post on fascism coming up in a let's read thread. Stay tuned.



try not to entertain the fiction it's in any way good or cool. thanks

#154

cars posted:

trakfactri posted:
try not to entertain the fiction it's in any way good or cool. thanks


Yeah on the contrary it's taking critical theory (which I don't understand all that well) and disassembling that idea and the theories that came into style in the '90s with the liberal academics. It's not even clear to me they even act according to their own ideological agenda in many cases -- not that it's particularly well defined to begin with -- instead of merely reinforcing the incipient fascism inherent in liberalism. Anyways, enough chit-chat, more reading because the effort post isn't going to make itself.

#155
I mean sure, an Israeli colonel gave a series of rambling lectures citing Deleuze and Guattari like there had been some revolution in military affairs, and that got some attention in weird internet spaces, but it was a bunch of nonsense. The fact remains that the IDF binned that shit after the war with Hezbollah in 2006 and went back to pulverizing civilians with artillery like they always had.