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Porn Actor Accused of Murder Dies After Cliff-Top Standoff in L.A.
www.foxnews.com
Published June 05, 2010

A porn actor wanted for allegedly murdering a co-worker with a samurai-style sword has died jumping off a cliff after a day-long stand-off with police, the Los Angeles Times reported late Saturday.

It had earlier been reported that Stephen Clancy Hill, 34, was in police custody after falling from a cliff edge.

Hill, who was wanted for one count of murder and five counts of attempted murder after attacking colleagues at a pornographic film distribution company warehouse in Los Angeles on Tuesday, had been surrounded by police for eight hours on the edge of Canoga Park.

With dusk approaching and Hill continuing to threaten to kill himself, members of the Los Angeles Police Department's elite SWAT unit tried to subdue and apprehend him, Deputy Chief Kirk Albanese told the Times.

Hall then threw himself over the cliff and suffered fatal head injuries in the 50-foot (15m) fall, authorities said.

Early Saturday, SWAT teams had descended on a house in the San Fernando Valley after a tip-off.

Television footage showed the actor, who once played Barack Obama in porn spoof “Palin: Erection 2008,” holding a samurai sword and shouting at police to keep their distance.

Hill, who has appeared in several porn films under the stage name "Steve Driver," was believed to have murdered fellow actor Herbert Wong at the warehouse-style offices of Ultima DVD on Tuesday.

Wong, who had appeared in two films with Hill under the name "Tom Dong," died as he tried to help other staff to escape, the company's owner said.

Hill's rampage appeared to have been triggered by the discovery that he was about to be fired and evicted from the office where he had been living.
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Goethestein posted:

some preconceptions being shattered itt



a wealthy actress for obama, my stars

#2203
actually that interview was being held because jenna jameson endorsed romney lol
#2204

Goethestein posted:

actually that interview was being held because jenna jameson endorsed romney lol



correct

#2205
that was news, this isn't
#2206
please stop erasing womens opinions.
#2207
i'll erase you son
#2208
http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423

A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

Gilbert had admitted to shooting Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve 2009, when she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the shooting, died several months later.

Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill, and that Gilbert's actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee. Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."

The 30-year-old hugged his defense attorneys after the "not guilty" verdict was read by the judge. If convicted, he could have faced life in prison. He thanked God, his lawyers, and the jury for being able to "see what wasn't the truth."

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marimite posted:

The 30-year-old hugged his defense attorneys after the "not guilty" verdict was read by the judge. If convicted, he could have faced life in prison. He thanked God, his lawyers, and the jury for being able to "see what wasn't the truth."


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oops my bad
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http://www.vice.com/read/so-you-want-to-perform-in-porn
Stuff
So You Want to Perform in Porn

By Stoya

If you read that and thought, Why yes, I do want to perform in porn, this is for you. If not, please feel free to read along for potential entertainment value. Or, put the computer down, and go do whatever it is that people do on Fridays.

For those of you still interested, the first step to performing is deciding what kind of porn you want to do. See, porn isn't just people with big boobs and giant schlongs in silly setups involving offices and pizza deliverymen. It also isn't just people who are accepting of all body types/sexual orientations and strive to be as ethical as possible. Nor is it all high-gloss features, intense BDSM scenes, or content made by supposed amateurs. Before I started working in hardcore porn, I thought it was all like John Stagliano’s The Fashionistas. Stagliano shoots a very different sort of product than Digital Playground does, and while my decision to sign with DP worked out very well for me, I did spend the first few movies confused by the differences. If there is an idea in your head of the kind of porn you want to do, examine it and figure out specifically what excites or inspires you. Use it to get a more clear idea of your motivations and the level of involvement you want to have in the adult industry.

Once you’ve narrowed down what kind of scenes you want to do and what kind of performer you want to be, I recommend taking a minute to rethink the decision of actually doing it. Especially if you're just looking to live out one specific fantasy, make quick cash, or have a few months of adventure, consider whether the porn industry is the right choice for you. Unless the whole of civilization as we know it is destroyed, any nude or sexually explicit images will remain available on the internet in some way forever. Decide whether the chance to have sex with that one particular performer or have that professionally videotaped gang bang is worth the potential that every single person you know now or ever will know in the future will see it. Your parents will find out. Your employers will find out. Your friends, acquaintances, and the people you have romantic relationships with will find out. I call this Murphy's Law of Scandalous Behavior. If you are unable to come to terms with this, you should probably refrain from engaging in sexual activities in public or on camera… including sending racy cell phone pictures (even via Snapchat.)

If your goal is a full-on career that you envision as peaking with success on the level of Jesse Jane, Ron Jeremy, or Jenna Jameson, get ready for a reality check. Very few performers achieve that level of name recognition or long-term financial viability. Stardom is not guaranteed, even for performers who check all of the most widely marketable boxes. Hundreds of thousands of dollars will not rain down from the sky just because you show up in Southern California with a willingness to take your clothes off. Unproven rumors of a Teen Mom's paycheck aside, no performer gets paid six figures for a movie.

Remember that short of holding a gun to your head, nobody can force you to engage in a sex act that you do not want to perform, or with partners you do not want to perform those acts with. I would recommend avoiding people who threaten others with guns. The decisions about what sort of work you accept bookings for are yours and yours alone, regardless of what pressures agents, producers, or directors may try to use on you. If you only want to work with ten people or even one person, you have the right to set that boundary. You can set your rates at whatever amount you deem appropriate. You can perform exclusively in romantic girl-girl scenes (as long as you have the necessary genitals for that genre) and you can also refuse all scenes involving fewer than six penises. It is up to you to decide what you are comfortable with and how far out of your comfort zone you are willing to go in order to get more work. For the most part directors and producers want performers to be happy about the sex acts they are performing and the people they are working with. This usually has less to do with morals and more to do with the way that genuine enjoyment of a scene is believed to result in a better and therefore more profitable product.

That said, the higher your rates and the more boundaries you have, the less frequently you will work. Consider keeping your day job for a while. Put your checks in the bank instead of up your nose or in your closet. With a few months' worth of living expenses in savings or a secondary income, you will be less likely to be tempted into doing something that you may later regret purely for the money. Make sure you have up-to-date vaccinations for hepatitis and HPV. You should probably get a tetanus booster while you’re at the doctor’s office too. The adult industry does manage the risk of STI transmission through testing, barriers, or a combination of both, but there is still a risk. There is no such thing as completely safe sex. This risk is another thing you should come to terms with before entering the adult industry as a performer.

Even if porn is just an adventure for you, remember that it is a job. You will frequently be expected to show up on set appropriately groomed and showered before 9 AM with a valid STI test and at least one form of ID. A big-budget-feature shoot can last for multiple weeks, with three or four 24-hour days in a row. However little sleep you're able to get on one of these projects, the crew will usually have had far less. Being late or not showing up keeps everyone on set longer than necessary and can cost the company you're working for money in overtime for the crew and location.

Many scenes being shot now involve some kind of dialogue to set up why the sex is happening. You will need to be able to memorize and deliver at least a couple of lines of this dialogue, preferably in a somewhat convincing manner. You will probably need to learn how to walk into a shot and onto the bright green (or orange or pink or sometimes nonbright black) piece of tape that marks where you're supposed to end up without obviously looking at the floor. You may need to have sex for extended periods in positions or on surfaces that are uncomfortable, occasionally while wearing special-effects makeup, body paint, a wig, or a silly hat on your head. For female performers, the ability to confidently run over gravel in ill-fitting platform heels somehow turns into a job skill, as does pretending you aren't freezing in skimpy outfits or sweltering in five layers of wardrobe. If something goes awry with lights, the camera, or one of the performers a scene may take far longer to shoot than the runtime of the finished product. The same sex scene may be repeated for a still camera, softcore footage, or both.

Still want to do porn now that you know we aren't all millionaires and it takes actual work? I completely understand that. I find the physically demanding and constantly changing nature of the job extremely fun.

Most recognizable performers have done at least one interview where they've explained how they got into the porn industry or got their first booking, and many post the contact information for their agent in their Twitter bio. There are a handful of licensed adult agencies and most of them are listed on the LATATA website. The individual agency websites usually have a contact page for potential new talent. Additionally, companies like Burning Angel, Kink, and Pink & White (the makers of Crash Pad) have application pages for people specifically interested in performing for their sites. Some of the homosexual male-oriented companies like Titan Men and Channel 1 Releasing have these pages as well.

If you're reading this, I feel like it's safe to assume you have internet access. Use it to do some research. If you can’t figure out the basics from here, you’ll probably be the annoying one who can't show up on time with the proper documentation, is incapable of remembering lines, and somehow manages to lose half of their wardrobe during lunch break. Personally, I have no interest in metaphorically holding the hand of someone who is likely to make everyone else’s job harder than it needs to be. Unless that person is Scarlett Johansson. I would put up with just about any amount of bullshit from Scarlett Johansson. So: take everything you've learned, evaluate it, and then go and have fun. Or don't have fun. I'm sure there's at least a small market for that as well.
#2220
im pretty sure that texas jury acquitted that dude because in texas its legal to shoot at people who rob you.
#2221
get her an account
#2222
sig test
#2223
comrade "stoya" (nom de guerre)
#2224

gyrofry posted:

get her an account


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/stoya-porn-star-dad-ruined-porn-for-him-video_n_3454408.html

Stoya, Porn Star: My Dad Says I Ruined Porn For Him
A lot of dads might be angry if their daughter went into porn -- and so is the father of top adult actress Stoya.

But not for the reason you think.

"My dad is purely just angry that I ruined porn for him," she told HuffPost Live recently. " because I couldn't, like, just do a few scenes, I had to sign with a big company."

As a result, pops is often confronted with her lifestyle choices head on. When he goes to a porn site for some instant gratification, there is inevitably an ad for her Fleshlight, a sex toy modeled after her private parts.

Stoya is quick to stress: "This isn't normal dinner conversation. Just once in a while."


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'get behind'? youre a pig
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didn't know dsk was back in the u.s.
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#2230
Wrap it up Scahillailures, it turns out Obama's drone program took out a serial rapist.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/us/fbi-al-awlaki-prostitution/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- In the months after the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001, FBI agents conducted surveillance of U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and uncovered detailed information about his alleged use of prostitutes, according to newly released FBI documents.

The information is contained in documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group.

Al-Awlaki lived in a Washington suburb at the time of the terror attacks and for several months afterward. The FBI documents say he visited prostitutes at least seven times and paid up to $400 for sex. The documents show the cleric paid a total of $2,320 for the visits and always paid in cash.

Al-Awlaki's use of prostitutes has been reported previously, but the FBI documents show that agents interviewed the escorts, obtained detailed information about the encounters, and the FBI even reviewed the possible legal charges that might be brought against him.

One prostitute said al-Awlaki visited her on February 4, 2002, and she first peered out at him through a peephole in the hotel room door. When interviewed by the FBI a day later, she said she thought al-Awlaki "looked like Osama bin Laden."

The documents obtained by Judicial Watch also include some handwritten surveillance reports by FBI agents. The papers show nothing incriminating and merely recount his visits to stores, to his mosque and other locations.

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http://inthesetimes.com/uprising/entry/15337/sex_workers_rise_up_after_fatal_stabbings/

Monday Jul 22, 2013 5:09 pm
Sex Workers Rise Up After Fatal Stabbings
By Melissa Gira Grant

If you passed by the Turkish or Swedish consulates in New York on Friday, you may have seen a knot of sex workers and their supporters holding red umbrellas—both as a symbol of sex workers' rights and a shield against the sun on what was the hottest day of the year. The protestors, about a dozen at their peak, kept a spirited vigil over several hours, chanting, passing out fliers, and fielding questions from midtown Manhattan's business attire class. One man on the Park Avenue sidewalk in front of the Swedish consulate asked nervously, "Are you all… professionals?" Some protestors turned their heads and smiled.

The New York action accompanied rallies in 36 cities and on four continents for an international day of action demanding an end to the stigma and violence against sex workers’ communities. Two recent murders sparked the protests: of Dora Özer, a sex worker and trans woman from Kuşadası in Turkey who was stabbed by a man posing as a client on July 9, and of Petite Jasmine, a sex worker and mother of two children stabbed by her ex-husband in Sweden on July 11. Calls for justice for Dora and Jasmine, prompted by the International Committee on the Rights of Sex Workers in Europe (ICRSE), spread quickly through social media in the week leading up to Friday's actions.

"In two countries with completely different approaches employed to sex work, gender equality and trans recognition, only two days apart, two sex workers were fatally stabbed," ICRSE said in a statement released in advance of the protests. In Turkey, sex work isn't illegal per se, but is tightly regulated by the state. Licensed brothels have been demolished by developers as part of "restoration" and gentrification campaigns. A city official in Ankara told a reporter that to continue to permit brothels to operate would be like "remodeling your own house without cleaning the kitchen, which is occupied by cockroaches. As much as you redecorate and sterilize, if you don't kill the cockroaches in the kitchen, does such a kitchen belong in your new house?"

Trans sex workers in Turkey, such as Dora, have been particularly targeted under this "modernization" scheme, subject to fines, arrests and increased violence from both police and the public. Anti-transgender violence in Turkey has prompted Human Rights Watch to investigate and demand a stronger government response to targeted killings of transgender women.

Sweden's laws, like Turkey's, theoretically permit women to sell sex, but because buying sex is illegal, sex workers have no legal way to operate. As a result, sex workers face evictions from landlords who don't want run afoul of the law, surveillance by police trying to catch their customers, and arrests and detentions to secure their testimony against men who buy sex, all in the name of "protecting" them. The ideological underpinning of Sweden's anti-sex work law is that all sex work is violence, therefore anything—even, apparently, the violence administered by law enforcement—is promoted by the state as preferable to sex work.

After nearly 15 years under these laws, there's no evidence that the purchase of sex has declined in Sweden, or that people who sell sex are any better off. Still, in a 2010 evaluation, the Swedish government declared the so-called "Swedish model" a success, and claimed that any of its negative consequences, including increased stigma against sex workers "must be viewed as positive from the perspective that the purpose of the law is indeed to combat prostitution." (Under that logic, if a state wants to eradicate sex work, it may do so by eradicating sex workers.)

Sex workers consider the promotion of the Swedish model and other forms of criminalization not just part of an ongoing "debate" on sex work, but a matter of life and death. "Neither of these approaches to sex work recognize that stigma and discrimination against sex workers leads to violence and abuse," stated ICRSE. "Rather than the state condoning and perpetuating this stigma, states must work with sex workers to challenge the marginal status of sex workers." Friday's international actions were meant both to call states to account and to serve as an antidote to stigma by making sex workers visible as workers and as people with rights.

"Dora was a talented, beautiful 24-year-old transgender woman who was well known and well loved among her fellow sex workers and within the trans community," Bahar Akyurtlu, who organized the New York protest, told those gathered outside the Turkish consulate. "Where usually this kind of brutality is met with silence from the police and the public, Dora’s murder lit a spark."

"Like, Dora, I'm Turkish and I'm trans," she continued. "But make no mistake, I'm not here for Dora alone."

Akyurtlu told In These Times she was inspired to launch a New York action after reading reports in Turkish media of protests in eight cities in Turkey in Dora's name. "Then I found out about the international day of actions for Dora and for Jasmine," she says. She announced New York's protest on Facebook with two days notice, and was joined on Friday by members of Sex Workers Outreach Project New York City (SWOP-NYC), New York Harm Reduction Educators (NYHRE), and Persist Health Project, a New York based peer-run health partnership for people in the sex trades. This was the first action like this she had organized. "I'm not part of any sex workers' rights organizations," said Akyurtlu. "But it's really hard to be trans and not have any friends who are sex workers."

Jasmine, who was murdered by her ex-husband, was a sex worker rights' activist and a board member of the Rose Alliance, an association of sex workers in Sweden. She'd sought out help from the Rose Alliance after her ex-husband told social services that she was a sex worker. In response, social services removed her children from her custody, while allowing her abusive ex-husband to continue seeing them. "During the investigation regarding her parental skills," said Rose Alliance coordinator Pye Jacobson, " told her she was lacking insight into the damage her sex work caused." A judge later granted Jasmine partial custody, said Jacobson, "but pointed out that it was a problem that she failed to realize that sex work was 'a form of self-harm.' " This is the Swedish model in action: When sex workers want help, they are told they aren't fit to be helped if they continue to do sex work.

"Even if Dora and Jasmine's murders weren't directly caused by policies" that use stigma to "end demand" for sex work, said Leigh, a SWOP-NYC member at the Manhattan protest, "they were definitely a massive contributing factor, which made people less willing to take sex workers' claims seriously. Some people say the mission of 'end demand' laws is kinder to sex workers, but they are possibly as equally damaging as the full criminalization of sex work.”

Proponents of bringing the Swedish model to the United States—like Equality Now, Demand Abolition, and some other mainstream feminist groups—are at a bit of an impasse. Selling and buying sex are both illegal in the most of the U.S., so instead they push for higher penalties for buying sex and stepped-up stings against customers, along with public shaming campaigns. That the Swedish model failed to produce a positive outcome for sex workers in Sweden—and even exposed them to harm—has not stopped the Swedish model's international supporters from claiming they, too, want to "help" sex workers by increasing stigma against sex work.

Criminalization and its associated stigma directly jeopardize the health and safety of sex workers, says Yale public-health student Hannah Mogul-Adlin, who attended the protest. As a summer intern at Persist, the peer-run health project for people in the sex trade, Mogul-Adlin is helping the organization with a report on their recent focus groups in New York. "A lot of people talked about stigma and not wanting to disclose to their health care providers," she says. "They thought they'd not treat them and their whole health. Because of stigma, people aren't getting the care they need." For this reason and others, last year the Global Commission on HIV and the Law recommended the repeal of laws against sex work. They are joined by Human Rights Watch and the World Health Organization in identifying criminalization as a public health and human rights threat.

In addition to New York's protests, sex workers organized demonstrations in London, Melbourne and more than 30 other cities. In Las Vegas, sex workers and supporters marched on the strip on Wednesday night, in concert with an already-planned action during the Desiree Alliance's national sex worker conference. For a time on Friday, the hashtag #stigmakills registered nearly 800 tweets in a single hour on Twitter. That social media organizing gave a voice to sex workers who cannot risk the costs of publicly participating. Those who did turn out on the streets still gave up work to do so. As London organizer Violet Rose tweeted, the costs of putting the protests on were supported in part by doing sex work.

When sex workers and supporters confronted New Yorkers in an unexpected setting—outside their offices—public misperceptions and judgments became quickly visible and sometimes melted away. Though a very small number of men clearly used the protest as an opportunity to try to flirt with women they assumed were all sex workers (and working for free), many more people simply paused to get a flier from protestors before rushing on with their day. A security guard who said he was sent by the U.S. State Department joked with protesters, when he would not identify himself, about having a "street name." The man who stopped to talk at length on the sidewalk on Park Avenue outside the Swedish consulate, after getting over his initial confusion and asking a lot of questions, told the protesters "It's an atrocity this is criminalized."

"Now more than ever," organizer Bahar Akyurtlu told those gathered on Friday, "we know that there are no human rights without sex workers' rights.” They raised their red umbrellas in the direction of the consulate's windows and cheered.



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/google-glass-porn_n_3644321.html?utm_source=concierge&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=sailthru%2Bslider%2B

Ariana Snuffington posted:

Professional Glass Porn Is Here And Google Can't Stop It
The Huffington Post | By Alexis Kleinman

FOLLOW: Google, Google Porn, Glass Porn, Google Glass Porn, I'd Tap That Glass, James Deen, The Pornography Industry, Porn Glasses, Tap That Glass,

Technology News
Google doesn't want porn on Glass, the company's hotly anticipated (and mocked) eyewear-computer combination.

However, we all know that where there is technology there will be porn.

Earlier this week, Motherboard announced that adult app company MiKandi recently sponsored a professional pornographic video shot with Google Glass. Well-known porn stars James Deen and Andy San Dimas wore Google Glass while having sex. The technique was a clever end-run around Google's ban on pornographic applications. (You can watch the video on YouTube.)

"While developers cannot share Glass apps that serve sexually explicit content," Mikandi CEO Jesse Adams told Fast Company, "there doesn't seem to be any terms that prohibit users from shooting their own adult content.”

Google has been strictly anti-porn, anti-nudity, and anti-profanity when it comes to Glass. You can't curse at Glass, you can't search for porn, and you can't go to porn sites. In fact, web browsing in general is pretty limited, Fox News reports.

Still, Glass has a built-in camera, and email, video chat, and texting capabilities, so there's no way Google can squash your inner amateur pornographer if you want to make and send a sexy video.

Editor's Note: Yum Yum Very Nice

Watching video made on Glass "is an experience with the powerful ability to transport you to a different time and place," Motherboard's Arikia Millikan writes. The videos created on Glass can be watched on computers and smartphones, but the real thrill is watching the videos that were filmed with Glass on Glass itself. "From the viewer's POV, the videos definitely feel very intimate and personal," Adams told Fast Company. "It's a shame that porn apps are banned, so other Glass users can't experience that yet.”

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libelous_slander posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/google-glass-porn_n_3644321.html?utm_source=concierge&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=sailthru%2Bslider%2B

Ariana Snuffington posted:

Professional Glass Porn Is Here And Google Can't Stop It
The Huffington Post | By Alexis Kleinman

FOLLOW: Google, Google Porn, Glass Porn, Google Glass Porn, I'd Tap That Glass, James Deen, The Pornography Industry, Porn Glasses, Tap That Glass,

Technology News
Google doesn't want porn on Glass, the company's hotly anticipated (and mocked) eyewear-computer combination.

However, we all know that where there is technology there will be porn.

Earlier this week, Motherboard announced that adult app company MiKandi recently sponsored a professional pornographic video shot with Google Glass. Well-known porn stars James Deen and Andy San Dimas wore Google Glass while having sex. The technique was a clever end-run around Google's ban on pornographic applications. (You can watch the video on YouTube.)

"While developers cannot share Glass apps that serve sexually explicit content," Mikandi CEO Jesse Adams told Fast Company, "there doesn't seem to be any terms that prohibit users from shooting their own adult content.”

Google has been strictly anti-porn, anti-nudity, and anti-profanity when it comes to Glass. You can't curse at Glass, you can't search for porn, and you can't go to porn sites. In fact, web browsing in general is pretty limited, Fox News reports.

Still, Glass has a built-in camera, and email, video chat, and texting capabilities, so there's no way Google can squash your inner amateur pornographer if you want to make and send a sexy video.

Editor's Note: Yum Yum Very Nice

Watching video made on Glass "is an experience with the powerful ability to transport you to a different time and place," Motherboard's Arikia Millikan writes. The videos created on Glass can be watched on computers and smartphones, but the real thrill is watching the videos that were filmed with Glass on Glass itself. "From the viewer's POV, the videos definitely feel very intimate and personal," Adams told Fast Company. "It's a shame that porn apps are banned, so other Glass users can't experience that yet.”


If Google cannot stop Porn, what hope does David Cameron have?

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Philosophy of Sexual Harassment

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/arts/colin-mcginn-philosopher-to-leave-his-post.html

excerpts:

Mr. McGinn, 63, rose to public prominence in the early 1990s as one of the so-called New Mysterians, a group of philosophers who challenged the notion that human consciousness could ever be fully explained. In recent years, he has pursued a more popular bent, writing books on movies, sports and Shakespeare, along with cheekier projects like a short 2008 volume titled “Mindfuck: A Critique of Mental Manipulation”

The case, which was first reported by The Chronicle of Higher Education, has set off voluminous chatter among philosophers on blogs and social media. The discussion has been fueled partly by Mr. McGinn’s own blog, where his use of the cryptic language of analytic philosophy in attempts to defend himself seems to have backfired.

Meanwhile, some of Mr. McGinn’s posts — including one meditating on the difference between “suggesting” an action and “entertaining” it, and another (since removed) riffing on alternate meanings of a crude term for masturbation — have struck even some of Mr. McGinn’s onetime supporters as less philosophical than self-incriminating.

Both Mr. McGinn and the student declined to provide any e-mails or other documents related to the case. But Amie Thomasson, a professor of philosophy at Miami, said the student, shortly after filing her complaint in September 2012, had shown her a stack of e-mails from Mr. McGinn. They included the message mentioning sex over the summer, along with a number of other sexually explicit messages, Ms. Thomasson said.

Mr. McGinn said that “the ‘3 times’ e-mail,” as he referred to it, was not an actual proposal. “There was no propositioning,” he said in the interview. Properly understanding another e-mail to the student that included the crude term for masturbation, he added later via e-mail, depended on a distinction between “logical implication and conversational implicature.”

“Remember that I am a philosopher trying to teach a budding philosopher important logical distinctions,” he said.

Scholars in all disciplines have disagreements. But philosophy is unusual, many say, in its tradition of developing ideas through face-to-face and sometimes brutal debate. “People in other disciplines think we’re just thugs,” said Louise Antony, a philosopher at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

That reliance on debate can pose a particular dilemma for women, she added. Argue aggressively, and they’re branded shrews (to put it nicely). Hold back, and they’re not good philosophers.

“Many people have called philosophy the combat sport of academia,” Ms. Antony said. “But if you can’t have those conversations, you’re at a disadvantage.”


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tpaine posted:

“People in other disciplines think we’re just thugs,” said Louise Antony, a philosopher at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.


Analytic philosophy is a thug life

#2237

ilmdge posted:

Philosophy of Sexual Harassment




Just like your father
Just like your mother
What sort of example do you think you're setting?
Do you talk that way to your sister?
Does cunt talk that way to your sister?
So why'd you say that?
You know you can't get away with that
You know what's coming to you now, don't you?
Coming to cunt
I just can't believe you did that
You cunt, you fucking cunt
Who do you think you are?
Who the hell do you think you are?
Who the fuck do you think you are?
You stupid fucking cunt
Do you talk that way to your sister?
Would you talk that way to your momma? Eh?
Come on, cunt, do you talk that way to your momma?
Do you talk that way to your momma?
Didn't she teach you any manners?
Look at me and say you're sorry, cunt
Cunt says sorry
Cunt's gonna say sorry

You're nothing
Cunt's nothing
Zero
Just remind yourself
Remember you're fat
Remember you're stupid
Remember you're ugly
Just like your fucking mother
Just like your fucking father
Have you got a good view?
Fat, stupid and ugly
A fat, stupid, ugly cunt
Are you remembering that?
You fucking cunt
I really can't believe you did that
You vulgar, common, coarse piece of shit
Your hanging and sick wobbly meat flab
Flabby folds your flesh
You're a disgrace
You're a total disgrace
And where's your fucking decorum?
Yes, decorum, where is your fucking decorum?
Cunt's fucking decorum
You fucking cunt
Just like your fucking mother
And just like your fucking father
See that?
What's that over there?
Yes, cunt, that's a door
I just want you to look at the door


Now I'm a really positive person
But you don't know what can happen from day to day
As you think about it in your mind
If I walked out that fucking door
And the door closed
And as it closed
It slammed shut
And no matter what you did
No matter what you fucking did
You could not open the door
And you knew you could never look into my eyes again
Hear my voice again
Feel my touch again

You're right, you know
About that door
You really shouldn't think about it
A huge mistake to fucking think about
You don't have to think about the door
It makes you feel uncomfortable
Doesn't it?
I know it does
You don't have to feel like that
It's distressing
It's really distressing

A terrible think happened
My friend was stabbed in the street
By some drunk
Dead before he arrived at the hospital
Wouldn't it be terrible?
Think about it
Even if you could get that door opened
And you were to search
You could never find me again
You will never be able to see me again
You will never be able to hear my voice again
Feel my touch again
You'll never be able
All that fun we had together
The great times we had together
The coast
The night-time
The hotel
The journey home
Even if you were to open that door
You would search but you could never find

You're nothing
Cunt's nothing
Zero
Just remind yourself
Remember you're fat
Remember you're stupid
Remember you're ugly
Fat, stupid and ugly
Just remember that
And also remember life's tragedies
Think about them
I still think about it
You see that door?
You see that door?
You see that door?
You see that door?
Cunt, do you see that fucking door?

#2238
holy lol i never noticed those lyrics are literally the door pattern hahahahaha
#2239
are u feeling cut hands acephalous
#2240
i saw him live and listened to the first album, loved them both tho the projections he used were completely terrible, havent listened to the new stuff bc i fall behind on music shit fast when i get obsessed with one album or song for a long time. but yeah cut hands is gr8