deadken posted:
when a religion is described as peaceful or tolerant i usually get really suspicious

yes its a stupid and incoherent sort of thing to say about an abstract category. for supposed rationalists, atheists believe in all sorts of wild things that exist in nonexistent realms, attribute to them magical properties and promote a code of behavior for itneracting with them

BehemothTheKatte posted:
i disagree, at least in regards to popular western religions.

the chinese here in Taiwan do seem to be really chill with their religion and have really tolerant and amazing attitude. Guanyin superiority.

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babyfinland posted:

deadken posted:
when a religion is described as peaceful or tolerant i usually get really suspicious

yes its a stupid and incoherent sort of thing to say about an abstract category. for supposed rationalists, atheists believe in all sorts of wild things that exist in nonexistent realms, attribute to them magical properties and promote a code of behavior for itneracting with them

nobody is more perverse than the celibate, nobody is more obsessed with jews than the antisemite, nobody cleaves tighter to mysticism than the atheist

deadken posted:
im still not quite sure if religions have intrinsic qualities or if theyre open spaces for continual reinscription but until i work it all aht i'ma keep reppin christianity all day

i think the way we define religions as containing orthodoxy or some sort of normative majority with fringe sects and syncretic elements basically works to define a given religion by essentialist characteristics (which is totally otherizing and tends to orientalism) rather than by defining a religion by certain tenets of faith. like people think of christians as a certain kind of person more than they think of the christian metaphysical commitment to salvation

deadken posted:
Enantiodromia Is Existence.

schelling...

BehemothTheKatte posted:
nope it's really simply.

if you value piety above all else you will start interjecting the decrees of your mythological thinking upon physical reality which might cause difficulties down the road.

interjecting mythological thinking on physical reality is all human beings have been doing since we first worked out how to daub pigment onto rocks to look like animals. Welcome To The Desert Of The Symbolic

deadken posted:
BehemothTheKatte posted:
nope it's really simply.

if you value piety above all else you will start interjecting the decrees of your mythological thinking upon physical reality which might cause difficulties down the road.


interjecting mythological thinking on physical reality is all human beings have been doing since we first worked out how to daub pigment onto rocks to look like animals. Welcome To The Desert Of The Symbolic

yes and what "we" call "progress" is moving past our subjectiveness and accepting common terms for human interaction based on the Universal Experience, i.e through Empiricism and Positivism.

No one is as hopeful and full of faith as the self professed Positivist.

deadken posted:

BehemothTheKatte posted:
nope it's really simply.

if you value piety above all else you will start interjecting the decrees of your mythological thinking upon physical reality which might cause difficulties down the road.

interjecting mythological thinking on physical reality is all human beings have been doing since we first worked out how to daub pigment onto rocks to look like animals. Welcome To The Desert Of The Symbolic

yeah this and mythological thinking (which I don't find inherently problematic as you seem to) and piety (which again I probably would define as a concern with the the health of the spirit more than observance of code like you might) are not some sort of married couplet in the first place, let alone the problematic things you are making them out to be. inscribing mythology on the world is only problematic if the mythology is sundered from a sound morality, which is far more likely in an atheistic system that elevates man into deity than a religious one where man observes worship towards the absolute. in fact i would say that it is the lack of a rigorous and coherent commitment to the absolute that gives rise to those problems in the first place

BehemothTheKatte posted:

deadken posted:
BehemothTheKatte posted:
nope it's really simply.

if you value piety above all else you will start interjecting the decrees of your mythological thinking upon physical reality which might cause difficulties down the road.


interjecting mythological thinking on physical reality is all human beings have been doing since we first worked out how to daub pigment onto rocks to look like animals. Welcome To The Desert Of The Symbolic

yes and what "we" call "progress" is moving past our subjectiveness and accepting common terms for human interaction based on the Universal Experience, i.e through Empiricism and Positivism.

No one is as hopeful and full of faith as the self professed Positivist.

but it is self-fulfilling prophecy for the thinker who is, simply because it accords with logic and therefore must be. the professor merely teaches. now the liar otoh... might really be a good teacher?

thirdplace posted:
some day someone's going to invent a religion with a mythology entirely consistent with what we know about human and natural history and it's gonna own

remember when we tried that with marxism? history isn't an aggregate of data, it's a narrative sewn through a set of data that makes sense of the present. all mythologies ever are "consistent" with "what we know" because that's what history is: a mythology that unifies what we know in a communicable way

babyfinland posted:
you have an elaborate mythology of progress and all these articles of faith in universalism, empiricism, rationalism, positivism, atheism etc but none of them cohere in any sort of unified way and you hand wave all of that away like any fradulent shamanic mystic would. your like 200 years behind, maybe read nietzsche or something because kant was Way Wrong

c/p the open society and its enemies (thanks imp)