SariBari posted:getfiscal posted:SariBari posted:hmmm, yes, house niggers. that's precisely what she says.
"Prostitution has its very own plantation system. While the women in street prostitution work the fields, call girls, escorts and massage parlor workers are the house ni****s of this system."
that's not slutshaming, it's not blaming women for prostitution her conclusion is still focused on the safety of these women and how johns are responsible for violence. i know that n word got you all tingly and reactionary, donald.
"house niggers" has a pretty specific meaning though, implying a certain kind of collaboration and so on? i dont see why you need to defend this particular thing in order to defend all of her research
jools posted:"house niggers" has a pretty specific meaning though, implying a certain kind of collaboration and so on?
hi, jools. i'm from the united states, the south specifically, and this is not how i view "house niggers" after lot of education regarding slavery once i escaped texas public schools. in regards to women in the house, those were often specifically chosen so the master could fuck them more easily for fun or make more slaves he didn't ever have to think about freeing since halfies were yours for life. general note: if you're someone who casts aspersions on any person deemed a "house nigger" during u.s. slavery please jump off a bridge today, bc it was an extremely awful, unprecedented version of slavery with very low chances of escape compared to the world over. byeeeeeeeee.
"Micronesia and Palau are the house niggers of the Pacific Ocean'
Goethestein posted:halfies were yours for life, as opposed to all the other slaves, lol
not that you care or know anything about any subject that matters besides what your own asshole looks like but children born as slaves in the u.s. were automatically property as opposed to other countries. there's your non-asshole centric knowledge for the day, goat
said "Let's run away, Let's escape, Let's separate" the house negro would
look at you and say "Man, you crazy. What you mean separate? Where
is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than
this? Where can I eat better food than this?" There was that house
negro. In those days, he was called a house nigger. And that's what we
call him today, because we still got some house niggers runnin around
here. This modern house negro loves his master. He wants to live near
him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near
his master, and then brag about "I'm the only negro out here. I'm the
only one on my job. I'm the only one in this school." "You're nothing but
a house negro."
i don't think he's being very sympathetic here!
jools posted:why don't you actually look at the context of what malcolm x was saying instead of talking about what you learned once you left school? it's pretty obvious that usage is what's being referred to, you're just making stuff up to defend an indefensible statement.
the indefensible melissa farley, truly the most unprofessional racist slutshamer. a marauder.
getfiscal posted:"Prostitution has its very own plantation system. While the women in street prostitution work the fields, call girls, escorts and massage parlor workers are the house ni****s of this system."
so we want to sympathize with frontline drug dealers, respect that they are trying to survive, try to make their work less dangerous, stop drug lords from controlling the trade, focus resources on fighting drug use itself. but can't we say, at the end of the day, that going into the drug trade isn't something we want people to do? like as a choice? if a person wants to be a dealer, selling drugs to addicts, shouldn't we say it's a bad thing, that it hurts more than helps? that if they have any way to get out of it, they should? that getting high off the people, contributing to the destruction of local communities, etc., is a bad thing?
if you were a revolutionary organization in a community, wouldn't you discourage drug use and sales?
SariBari posted:jools posted:why don't you actually look at the context of what malcolm x was saying instead of talking about what you learned once you left school? it's pretty obvious that usage is what's being referred to, you're just making stuff up to defend an indefensible statement.
the indefensible melissa farley, truly the most unprofessional racist slutshamer. a marauder.
well yeah actually also it is pretty racist just deciding to read these things from one social category to another, especially in the case of chattel slavery. i don't know what your problem is. i also just said that particular statement was indefensible, if you read my original post you would see i questioned why defending that statement was essential to defending farley's research in general.
jools posted:i don't think he's being very sympathetic here!
wow, you really owned me with this malcolm x quotes about house niggers. i guess in the end, melissa farley doesn't care about the fate of high class hookers. she simply wants to show the world that their high falutin nobodies and who cares. oh wait a second, she is simply making a point about their environment and how they're viewed within and outside of the industry and is still desperately concerned about their safety from violent rapists. the plantation system was not designed with the help of the house niggers, jools. the more you know, my good man.
ilmdge posted:are you saying this statement is indefensible jools?
getfiscal posted:"Prostitution has its very own plantation system. While the women in street prostitution work the fields, call girls, escorts and massage parlor workers are the house ni****s of this system."
yes, because the "house/field negro" division is at the level of an entire social category, plus why is farley saying "nigger"? if the latter category is anything, it's a classic labour aristocracy
it was a statement about class, not about slavery, and should be restricted to use in that context
SariBari posted:jools posted:i don't think he's being very sympathetic here!
wow, you really owned me with this malcolm x quotes about house niggers. i guess in the end, melissa farley doesn't care about the fate of high class hookers. she simply wants to show the world that their high falutin nobodies and who cares. oh wait a second, she is simply making a point about their environment and how they're viewed within and outside of the industry and is still desperately concerned about their safety from violent rapists. the plantation system was not designed with the help of the house niggers, jools. the more you know, my good man.
yeah i did, because it was saying something completely different to what you were saying.
ilmdge posted:are you saying this statement is indefensible jools?
getfiscal posted:"Prostitution has its very own plantation system. While the women in street prostitution work the fields, call girls, escorts and massage parlor workers are the house ni****s of this system."
jools wants you to concentrate on what he is saying and remember what HE WROTE and nevermind the intent of the parsing done here. i posted the original long quote about how questioning prostitution has nothing to do with slut shaming like all the porn addicted ninnies here like to rave about. in turn, we get reminded that farley used house nigger to describe how johns and the sex industry keep their street hookers and "escorts" separate. i so appreciate all this knowledge dropped, really making me question the research i read about in regards to prostitution. niggers, man. how could she!
getfiscal posted:so we want to sympathize with frontline drug dealers, respect that they are trying to survive, try to make their work less dangerous, stop drug lords from controlling the trade, focus resources on fighting drug use itself. but can't we say, at the end of the day, that going into the drug trade isn't something we want people to do? like as a choice? if a person wants to be a dealer, selling drugs to addicts, shouldn't we say it's a bad thing, that it hurts more than helps? that if they have any way to get out of it, they should? that getting high off the people, contributing to the destruction of local communities, etc., is a bad thing?
if you were a revolutionary organization in a community, wouldn't you discourage drug use and sales?
i'm going to be polite here but this strikes me as just liberal paternalism.
re the bolded part: you really think they don't know that?
jools posted:well this conversation began with you saying she didn't even say that to start with, so idgi
actually, that's not how it started, i mocked that escorts-are-shameful-house niggers was her precise conclusion and followed it up with her concentration on violent men.i never said she didn't use the phrase. it's cool how you want to revert to being literal now. let's talk about collaborating house niggers in south carolina.
but it is precisely what she said? it wasn't her precise conclusion, of course, because that would be a stupid misrepresentation, like the one you're making, but it is precisely what she said.
Copyright © 1996 Nikki Craft. All Rights Reserved
by
Nikki Craft and Melissa Farley
I became a prostitute because . . .
1. I saw Pretty Baby and it reminded me of my stepfather and I thought I could get paid for it.
2. I saw Pretty Woman and I liked the clothes.
3. I saw a Demi Moore movie and I thought, Wow, what an easy and fun way to make a million dollars.
4. I like getting fucked by the football team, the fraternity brothers, and law students at graduation parties. I realized that gang rape could be a transcendental experience.
5. I figured that laying on my back and getting fucked by hundreds of men, and getting on my knees and sucking thousands of dicks, was the most profound empowerment a woman could have.
6. My vocational counselor and I discussed a whole lot of possibilities: doctor, lawyer, women's-studies teacher, legal secretary. I was offered a four-year scholarship at Stanford, but frankly, prostitution seemed the most rewarding job option available.
7. I worship the goddess and she told me, "Fuck mankind." I misunderstood her spiritual message and found myself in lifetime sexual servitude instead.
8. I came to appreciate the depth of Hugh Hefner's, Larry Flynt's, and Bob Guccione's understanding of my sexuality.
9. My boyfriend wanted me to do it. He said that being part of a stable of whores who worked for him could help me learn how to get along with other women.
10. My father wanted me to do it.
11. I met a nice man on alt.sex.prostitution.
12. Camille Paglia told me it was the feminist thing to do.
13. I felt coerced by my landlord, the day-care center, the utility companies, the grocer, my dealer and my plastic surgeons to pay my bills every month.
14. I didn't want to work at Red Lobster.
15. I wanted to be treated like a lady.
16. I went to COYOTE's Halloween extravaganza, the Hookers' Ball, and found out just how glamorous prostitution could be.
17. It's complicated, but I thought that working in the sex industry would increase my self-esteem. It's sort of like saying to the world, "I am the best Grade A ground beef" and being the cow.
18. And then, ya know, even though it all sounded really good, and selling fucks and blow jobs sounded really empowering, I realized that talking about it and writing books defending it would be even more empowering.
MadMedico posted:15. I wanted to be treated like a lady.
wasted posted:was Malcolm x a house nigger when he was simply a spokesperson for Elijah Muhammad or when he broke with the nation and started organizing a broader coalition for social justice
read his autobiography and find out!!!
jools posted:wasted posted:was Malcolm x a house nigger when he was simply a spokesperson for Elijah Muhammad or when he broke with the nation and started organizing a broader coalition for social justice
read his autobiography and find out!!!
oi m8, this 'ere bio says we should try out nutmeg and broaden our class consciousness
SariBari posted:jools wants you to concentrate on what he is saying and remember what HE WROTE and nevermind the intent of the parsing done here.
you're doing the exact same thing
gyrofry posted:d&d
Since we're on the subject of D&D what do you think is the ultimate party?
I'm thinking send in Brienne/Sandor/Thoros to tank while Anguy/Arya/Theon ranges from behind. I like Thoros for his flaming sword, not quite as strong as Gregor but the guy keeps using berserker and in that state is uncontrollable. At an even safer distance you have summoners Melissandre/Dany babywhoring and/or dragonspamming. You've pretty much got this fight locked, I know people like to hate on Dany because she has no actual fighting ability but cmon dude DRAGONS. That's worth a party of tanks and rangers alone. Just give her a fucking dagger and sling but leave her on the sideline, if it really came down to her you're screwed anyway of course but who knows, she might kill a grumpkin or snark now and then. But whatever you do DONT LET HER GET DIRE CHARMED by bard rogue motherfuckers, fuck those guys
Wildcards
If you really want to mix things up with a wildcard you can bring in Bronn/Tyrion/Poderick as a rogue/thief/fighter combo but remember they are a package deal and you might not have 3 available slots. However with Bronn's backstab crit and Tyrion's ability to set wildfire traps as well as generate gold everyday, and Poderick's quarter staff and spear skills, this is not a combo to scoff at.
Ser Barristan Selmy: Obviously not at his peak but still a formidable fighter nonetheless, I would not tank him but I do admire his ability to double class as a rogue.
Jaquen Hagar: A rogue who basically has a once a day kill special and the ability to face change? Give him a fucking familiar and he's more OP than Drizzt Do'Urden.
Margery: Not a fighter as I'm sure you know, but her once a day dire charm and high charisma can get you some seriously cheap goods at shops. Recruit her before you buy/sell things.
Daario: Pretty decent sneak ability, a lot of new players hate this guy and prefer to attack him rather than recruit though.
Davos: Also good sneak ability, use him instead of the above if he gets on your nerves
Comedy Options
Sansa
Pubbies like to tank comedy option Drogo but neglect to remember his class is incapatable of wearing anything heavier than leather armor, either way he's susceptible to curse/disease and will die before you can get to a temple to buy healing services
Jamie? Yes perhaps he can lend a hand. I hate to say it but one of the one time greatest fighters in Westeros is now the one dragging the Brienne down with his package deal situation. Hence why I prefer the Sandor/Arya pairing because that gives you a pretty good balance
Littlefinger: Why the fuck would you pick Littlefinger? The only reason you would have LF in your party is so you can disarm him (and disrobe him) just before the sequence where he betrays you so you can kill his punk ass while the only thing he has to defend himself is his dick in his hands. (IMPORTANT: Do the same with Theon)
Robb Stark: A fighter who has a once a day wolf familiar ability? Yes please. A poor decision maker who's wife (admittedly good healer) and mother (even worse decision maker) take up a party slot? Check please.
Bran/Jojen/Meera/Osha/Hodor: Okay the clairvoyance abilities are nice to have I'll admit, and Meera/Osha can hold their own in a fight okay, but Hodor is...well Hodor and without a bastard sword in his hands this guy is a worse conversation partner than Minsc. And Goddamn a 5 person package? Jesus that's a party in itself. My suggestion is just recruit Bran/Jojen once in a blue moon to use their abilities and then send them back to the wall they'll be there when you need them.
Joffrey: All hatred towards the little shit aside, everyone makes a big stink about his crossbow. The guy has terrible Will and will fail every saving throw and run like a bitch EVERYTIME. Do not use him as a ranger
Ironicwarcriminal posted:getfiscal posted:so we want to sympathize with frontline drug dealers, respect that they are trying to survive, try to make their work less dangerous, stop drug lords from controlling the trade, focus resources on fighting drug use itself. but can't we say, at the end of the day, that going into the drug trade isn't something we want people to do? like as a choice? if a person wants to be a dealer, selling drugs to addicts, shouldn't we say it's a bad thing, that it hurts more than helps? that if they have any way to get out of it, they should? that getting high off the people, contributing to the destruction of local communities, etc., is a bad thing?
if you were a revolutionary organization in a community, wouldn't you discourage drug use and sales?i'm going to be polite here but this strikes me as just liberal paternalism.
re the bolded part: you really think they don't know that?
Earnestpost: what sort of socialism or social justice doesn't qualify as paternalism then?
Cheers.
and as we're talking about what she "really meant" according to a partial reading, would it have been different had she used "uncle tom" instead?