roseweird posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:Because it's neater? There are less loose ends? It would be aesthetically more pleasing?
well, yes, all of those things. i don't know, every time i imagine a revolution i just see this great mass of humanity rising up and flopping back on itself, maybe things get better but even revolutions are basically incremental changes in the end, and we're still stuck with these basically terrible preconditions of existence. i can't look on our history as favorably as you—i think all of history has gone badly wrong, that the primary value of humans is as the substrate of whatever we can imagine to replace them. we can hope for a return to a primitive state, but we should first create something better than us to place in that state.
ew. this is gross. humanity isnt a great mass, its people.
daddyholes posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
daddyholes posted:
Iwc are you a 'beta'
what is the actual distinction between alphas, betas and whatever is under them? i just use 'beta' as a buzzword to throw around like 'liberal' or 'racist'
you said in another thread that you didn't use 'beta' on the assumption that it didn't apply to you so i was just curious
unless you sincerely buy into some sort of weird evo-psych/pua/swole philosophy that codifies these categories, i think it's just a synonym for nerd
In Australia, you're not a bogan if you're poor. You're a bogan if you behave like a classless dickhead and have bigoted opinions. As a cross-section of Australian society, people most would describe as bogans are possibly (though far from certainly) poorer than Australians in general, but the cashed-up bogan is hardly an irrelevantly rare phenomenon. There are plenty of young fuckwits in trades with large disposable incomes and bigoted bogan families out in the suburbs that are doing quite nicely financially. And there are also plenty of poor people and families that are manifestly not bogans.
Furthermore, your argument implies that the bigotry and boorishness of the hick/bogan/chav flows from their supposed poverty. The kind of degenerate arsehole with a tattoo of the Southern Cross on his shoulder who rides around Surfers Paradise cat-calling women out the window of his Skyline and thinks Tony Abbott's going to fix it so these fucking Paki cunts stop rocking up in boats doesn't behave like that because he's poor. He does all that shit because he's fucking stupid. It's often not for want of a decent education, either. I went to a fanciest-pantsiest private school in Brisbane and plenty of my former classmates are just like this (though I won't argue that education doesn't help to some degree. But often that just turns people who would otherwise be bogans into LNP politicians).
Implying that poverty turns people into bigoted degenerates deprives the poor of cultural agency and is a far more classist attitude than hating on bogan culture.
roseweird posted:jools posted:ew. this is gross. humanity isnt a great mass, its people.
no it's a kind of doughy goo actually
humanity is lots of people arguing and laughing and eating and fucking and fighting and talking and getting excited and getting bored and being born and dying and trying to get by
also humanity made pizza and rap music
Ironicwarcriminal posted:unless you sincerely buy into some sort of weird evo-psych/pua/swole philosophy that codifies these categories, i think it's just a synonym for nerd
i don't
jools posted:im not sure that every level of social relations is just the unravelling of some logic....
oh i know, houllebecq put it nicely by referring to 'little shared spaces of subjectivity' where one could seek refuge from this, but when i applied it to my social activities at the time and saw just how much revolved around access, prestige, status (even when hidden underneath irony or seeming spontaneity) it just snowballed in my mind, moreso as i started noticing that my 'lived' society was doubling down on this rather than attempting to free itself.
Or as Gramsci wrote: 'what does the billboard say? come and play, come and play..forget about the movement'
bleurgh roseweird your earnestness is infectious
Ironicwarcriminal posted:unless you sincerely buy into some sort of weird evo-psych/pua/swole philosophy that codifies these categories, i think it's just a synonym for nerd
there's a type of isopod that has 3 distinct male morphs. one is 'alpha' and directly engages in physical contest with other alphas to win female isopods. the 'beta' is outwardly physically similar to a female, and basically just tricks its way into mating with women. the 'gamma' is physically puny, much smaller than a female, and just waits around and tries to copulate without the female (or the alphas etc) noticing
and is this so different to humans? alphas being jocks, betas being the 'artsy' and 'emotional' types and gammas being nerds, i claim.
jools posted:the future is women with balls on their elbows
why would these women be on their elbows if they had balls
Makeshift_Swahili posted:there's a type of isopod that has 3 distinct male morphs. one is 'alpha' and directly engages in physical contest with other alphas to win female isopods. the 'beta' is outwardly physically similar to a female, and basically just tricks its way into mating with women. the 'gamma' is physically puny, much smaller than a female, and just waits around and tries to copulate without the female (or the alphas etc) noticing
and is this so different to humans? alphas being jocks, betas being the 'artsy' and 'emotional' types and gammas being nerds, i claim.
yes yes, we all know some weird Trots
cleanhands posted:beta is when i sit in a meeting disagreeing with everything but saying nothing, alpha is when i walk in the ladies room naked. hope this clears things up
is that where you got your username from?
Ironicwarcriminal posted:I blame Marx for introducing me to the idea that the logic of capitalism plays out at every level of social relations. It wasn't a liberatory revelation at all, and seeing it play out (especially amongst friends who have decided that adult=consumer) continues to be a profoundly dispiriting experience.
what are your friends buying that makes you think this? they getting mortgages? nice furniture? nothing my friends buy could be considered 'adult'
Ironicwarcriminal posted:jools posted:
im not sure that every level of social relations is just the unravelling of some logic....
oh i know, houllebecq put it nicely by referring to 'little shared spaces of subjectivity' where one could seek refuge from this, but when i applied it to my social activities at the time and saw just how much revolved around access, prestige, status (even when hidden underneath irony or seeming spontaneity) it just snowballed in my mind, moreso as i started noticing that my 'lived' society was doubling down on this rather than attempting to free itself.
Or as Gramsci wrote: 'what does the billboard say? come and play, come and play..forget about the movement'
bleurgh roseweird your earnestness is infectious
also probably doesn't help that sydney is like the pinnacle of sunny, materialistic, hedonistic late capitalism where the most envied and talked about public figures are racehorse-trainers, celebrity chefs, real estate developers and drug dealers-turned-nightclub-empire-owners, not even joking.
lifestyle-uber-alles
Makeshift_Swahili posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I blame Marx for introducing me to the idea that the logic of capitalism plays out at every level of social relations. It wasn't a liberatory revelation at all, and seeing it play out (especially amongst friends who have decided that adult=consumer) continues to be a profoundly dispiriting experience.
what are your friends buying that makes you think this? they getting mortgages? nice furniture? nothing my friends buy could be considered 'adult'
'fresh kicks', drugs (occasionally fun but the 'scene' degenerates quickly), cars, vidya games, holidays, big TVs, a stream of seemingly pointless electronic gadgets......now my friends are just starting to get mortgages and it's worst: i hated this city's obsession with house prices the first time i got it from the boomers and now it starts again: class reproduction in action i suppose
an old friend just bought something in this neighborhood, 5 miles from downtown, for a similar price
http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-marrickville-113807419
Auction: Price guide over $760,000
A couple getting a mortgage together is basically the new marriage here, i'll pass thanks.
jools posted:is it cheaper if the colour saturation is turned down
there are at least 8 species of lethally venomous wildlife in that picture alone and you want to make them harder to see, are you sure youre not aussie yourself
SariBari posted:that music is garbage so I'm out of the loop, snide on.
please correct your opinions danny brown is NOT garbage
