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im not mad i just find it an interesting thought-space to play around in
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roseweird posted:

jools posted:

thats not it at all lol

then help me out because i am too alienated to see it


god forbid we actually listen to what the global proletariat actually want as opposed to telling them what they need

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other interesting spaces to play around in: your own blood on the playground
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roseweird posted:

well i tried googling what does the global proletariat want but i don't know



its porno.

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i think that 48% of the global proletariat is men and they would rather not stop existing.
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but in a global dictatorship of the proletariat perhaps the 52% of women would eleminate the 48%.

also the funniest thing about cyberpunk is how it is all true. it's effectiveness as a genre of fiction ceased because it got coopted, but also because we live in exactly the computer-enabled corporate dystopian nightmare that Will Gibson predicted and criticized.
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please download all posts directly into the nearly 1 gig hard drive inside my skull *gestures toward gigantic fucking T1 cable*
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i meant not in exactness of technological depiction (because cg was used to make that prediction we actually have better graphics than that lol) but in overall thematic and feel-level accuracy. Future prediction never gets the details right even tho that's what scifi focuses on.
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the whole corporate dystopia and net integrating with daily life in weird/scary ways is totally there.
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i maintain that it is still a big difference that i do not have a port in my head and chips in my body and they had to find those kids in boston by running shoplifter camera footage instead of thinking "find kid" into their braincards
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I suppose we still have, what, eight years to go
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if we kill all the men then who will do all the necessary labor of society - farming, fishing, logging, utility and municipal work, oilfield work, shipping, manufacturing, etc. strictly speaking we could probably make do without housewives, receptionists and waitresses indefinitely
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i think roseweird is exploring interesting concepts and i dont think its especially useful or interesting to be like "LOL YOU WANNA WIPE OUT MEN THATS CRAZY!1"

im interested in why you think "disruptive aggression in society" is a negative trait since you also view society as unjust. i think the manly diffusion of energy can be used to enforce patriarchy and destroy it, since it is a diffusion of will that's only 'manly' in the Nietzschean sense
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how is eugenics an interesting concept. this is what happens if you let too many kkkontinental kkkoncepts rot your brain, especially neecher
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daddyholes posted:

i maintain that it is still a big difference that i do not have a port in my head and chips in my body and they had to find those kids in boston by running shoplifter camera footage instead of thinking "find kid" into their braincards


have you read neuromancer and snow crash? i got into cyberpunk a few years back because of exposure to shitty cyberpunk like The Matrix, and the original books are really cool. that specific technology detail isn't that important to the genre adn their's tons of stuff about surveillance in the genre.

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i guess i dont have a problem with nations trying to upgrade their shit through eugenics etc but roseweird your personal experiences aside there is no body of research showing a clear link between testosterone and male aggression, rather its psychological effects have more to do with risk tolerance (hence its association with criminality)

as always, the problem with eugenics is not that anyone doesnt want a better people and a better society, but that the problems are usually misidentified and the wrong solutions prescribed as a result. as an extreme comic book example: nobody would argue that we should have calmer and more intelligent men, but combine that with an observation that, say, 50% of young blacks go to jail (with no kind of deeper curiosity about environmental factors) and you find yourself on the wrong side of Some Bad Shit. the tightrope towards eden hangs over hell, etc. welcome to d&d
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daddyholes posted:

i maintain that it is still a big difference that i do not have a port in my head and chips in my body and they had to find those kids in boston by running shoplifter camera footage instead of thinking "find kid" into their braincards



the big difference is that people in cyberpunk novels actively do things to overcome alienation and repression

All this surveillance state stuff is fairly predictable and lame but it's the growth, universalization and ultimate cultural hegemony of the Entertainment Distraction Complex that was the joker in the pack.



in truth i think this is why the Matrix clicked with a lot of people: it moved past the totalitarian government/roving bands of hackers tropes to take a more resonant look at how modern comforts and choices can be so deceptive.

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well jeez why not think about how that raw male aggression could be channeled better

These fantasies about a conformist society of clones (or any perfect society really) i don't quite understand. It seems at best lame and at worst horrific. Would you mind explaining the appeal? I'm genuinely curious
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people in novels are always overcoming adversity and shit, pretty rad.
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you give a guy in a book a problem, BAM, he knocks it right down. How do they do it??
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there is a real *draws hoodie over head* individualist solution to the security state and *aviators drop down from curly hair over face* all it takes is *mustache begins to time lapse into place* a little . . . courage . . .
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cars posted:

you give a guy in a book a problem, BAM, he knocks it right down. How do they do it??



this is why i can't enjoy most movies these days, too much unrealistic self-determination.

documentaries are generally more engaging because they don't have to shoehorn in some stupid moral. Saw this last night, was kewl

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but what exactly appeals to you in that scenario over this one? Because it's neater? There are less loose ends? It would be aesthetically more pleasing?

I dunno i guess i just approach it differently: i think our genes are fine, they got us to cover most of the planet way before anything approaching civilization existed, we're versatile, inventive, adaptable, cunning.

Technology and the mass-scaled, unfathomable networks of power and production it enabled, seems like the source of most of the worlds tensions. Without trying to idealize prehistory, seems like our genes were all sweet for what we were evolved to do.

I just really don't understand what the appeal in your system would be for most people. I don't want kids but if i did i'd rather do it the old fashioned way i.e. sabotaging condoms at a plantation-themed cuckold party in a central florida golf estate.
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roseweird posted:

but perfect societies are incredibly appealing to me, the idea of repeating some kind of perfect ritualized set of motions in a self-sustaining pattern... i don't know, this is just neo-monasticism, really, and i should cut it out, but the loss of meaning and social forms is real, or else why would i spend so much fucking time on the internet? i am socially capable and like being around people, but there seems to be nothing to say or do anymore. the perfect society is just utopian daydreaming—it promises meaningful action in ritual form. it is religion. you're right, though, terrifying.



No i kinda get where you're coming from. I love urban geography myself and can find myself entranced by all the patterns and reproductions that appear on Google Earth, it gives a strange kind of meaning to the otherwise mundane. These patterns can be bizzare or rational or cruel but i find it soothing because there is always a reason why they are built that way, it's something to latch onto in a chaotic world. Humans are just something else entirely though but i have a weird relationship between these things.....as if it's fucking humans who always ruin the greatness humans achieve.

i am socially capable and like being around people, but there seems to be nothing to say or do anymore



706 posts in 3 weeks says otherwise

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another idea: you know that saying about how if we could just capture 1% of the sun's energy hitting the US for one day we could power the country for an entire year?

unfortunate then that your forehead cant be used as a solar panel.

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daddyholes posted:

Iwc are you a 'beta'



what is the actual distinction between alphas, betas and whatever is under them? i just use 'beta' as a buzzword to throw around like 'liberal' or 'racist'

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

daddyholes posted:

Iwc are you a 'beta'

what is the actual distinction between alphas, betas and whatever is under them? i just use 'beta' as a buzzword to throw around like 'liberal' or 'racist'



you said in another thread that you didn't use 'beta' on the assumption that it didn't apply to you so i was just curious