discipline posted:

johns buy human flesh to fuck. it doesn't matter what you think it is. that is what they are doing

technically speaking the flesh has to be alive and attached to a person, so that seems like a lil bit of a dishonest summation

Goethestein posted:

discipline posted:

the average prostituted woman in the united states sees between 5-20 men per day depending on their oppression vertical - i.e. massage parlor women see less than latina women caught in delivery networks - and I can tell you that having sex 5 times per day 5 days a week, even with a loving and considerate partner will wreck you physically sorry guys



let's pretend for a moment that you didn't make that number up. somebody tell the world's miners, loggers, fishers, and farmhands about how tough it is to get porked 25 times a week

it would be tough yeah, which is why most miners, loggers, fishers and farmhands don't want their daughters to be prostitutes!

so, as we know, prices are established by supply and demand. there is a perpetual demand for whores, a demand known to exist in every society, longer even than there was a demand for "farming,"

this is such bullshit. If prostitution really is the world's oldest profession then how did their johns earn the money to pay them?

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

so, as we know, prices are established by supply and demand. there is a perpetual demand for whores, a demand known to exist in every society, longer even than there was a demand for "farming,"

this is such bullshit. If prostitution really is the world's oldest profession then how did their johns earn the money to pay them?

by bartering things they hunted

Goethestein posted:

it seems like people construct these elaborate and usually unsubstantiated claims of pervasive implicit or explicit slavery, trafficking, and so on, because they simply cannot understand why someone would engage in prostitution short of direct violent physical coercion. but that is not the case. women become prostitutes for the same reason men become loggers or farmhands: it pays well compared to whatever else they could be doing. it pays well upfront, too, no need for a lot of time spent on education, playing the field of job offers, climbing the corporate ladder. it is an excellent opportunity for someone who is uneducated, stupid, addicted to drugs, fleeing the law, sick, obese, or otherwise valueless to society. i'm sure there's still violence involved, but it wouldn't matter how many men with bats you had if the market could only support paying a woman McDonald's fry cook wages to suck dicks.

so, as we know, prices are established by supply and demand. there is a perpetual demand for whores, a demand known to exist in every society, longer even than there was a demand for "farming," and a demand even known in other apes. so getting rid of the demand is probably a nonstarter. this is the feminist attempt, and like all leftist programs it will fail until it addresses human nature (or, in this case, rather ape nature.) the man in one of the images above paid almost $600 to get a blowjob without a condom. economically, this is insensible. far more pleasure could be derived from drugs or electronics for the same price, fleshlights are inexpensive, and unassisted masturbation, while not as nice, is nonetheless free. but as with most things sexual, logical considerations do not factor into the john's decision, which is another reason why restricting supply has fared so poorly.

so what is the other side of the equation? increasing demand. if a lot of women entered the field part-time, the bottom would fall out of the market and the professionals would wither up and die somewhere. new individuals thinking about entering the business professionally would thus have no economic incentive to do so, and would instead choose other fields.

the market would need to be flooded, however, probably 10 times the current sexworker population would suffice to end the profession almost overnight. these women would be volunteers, not in it for the money.

determining rates for these scab volunteers seems easy enough, in the united states at least: a woman's hotness 1-10 in dollars per hour. but then there are issues of premiums for deviance that are too complicated to go over in a few short paragraphs. nonetheless, these are issues of detail, and the overarching idea seems guaranteed to succeed.

didnt read lol

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Goethestein posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

so, as we know, prices are established by supply and demand. there is a perpetual demand for whores, a demand known to exist in every society, longer even than there was a demand for "farming,"

this is such bullshit. If prostitution really is the world's oldest profession then how did their johns earn the money to pay them?



by bartering things they hunted

are you sure about that? This seems to be superimposing todays capitalist terms and references onto ye olde caveman shit. I don't think the label or social role of 'prostitute' in a prehistoric society makes much sense, and I really doubt Fred Flintstone was curb crawling in that foot-powered car of his.

i didn't say that it is "history's oldest profession," terms of profession probably didn't make sense in that context, i said it predates farming, and it does

roseweird posted:

i can't believe you have a daughter

please don't mistake that for misogyny. i agree with your points about men. women aren't "better." they weren't better in pre-capitalist societies either.