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idk something about dopamine. the point is when rd laing called up his patients mom and dad and told them they were shitty parents he accomplished nothing. but antipsychotics give people remissions sometimes
#322
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in what sense is capitalism properly a cause of schizophrenia
#323
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its more like the type of relationships and so on that it permits. like it permits the kind of childhood environments that are conducive to schizophrenia. i mean growing up in a city alone means you're twice as likely to develop it...
#324
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swampman posted:

Superabound your criticism of this book is based on a false equivalence, namely, you think Jaynes claims that ancient man was essentially schizophrenic, and you imagine a society made of modern day, barely-functioning, diagnosed schizophrenics, all homeless and terrified. the book doesn't ever describe the "bicameral mind" as being like this. but the proof of the pudding will come with the eating. buster.



the best part is im literally using almost word for word the exact same lazy arguments i used 10 years ago whenever a friend would bring this book up and still to this day the only actual rebuttal anyone can come up with is "but you havent even read the book"

~~and i never will~~

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jools you sound like alan sokal when talking about philosophy. we shouldn't give energy to post-modern academic liberals but it's just as dumb to dismiss all philosophy after Marx outright.

its still safe to make fun of lacan, d&g, foucault with no thought but it's just as pointless as dismissing Hegel or Heiddeger cause they use weird wordz
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i think post-marx history is about a thousand times more useful than most post-marx philosophy though.
#327
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there is some really good and useful post-marx philosophy (duh) but, in fact, you can dismiss hegel and heidegger
#328
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did Lacan need some biochem or what, I mean what's with that guy!!
#329
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*spraypaints "Psychology is not a Science" on wall next to sweet-ass handrail*
#330
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also the problem is as much the readings of those philosophers we're usually expected to work with being extremely lacking in various respects; usually contextually.
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jools posted:

there is some really good and useful post-marx philosophy (duh) but, in fact, you can dismiss hegel and heidegger



at least you're consistent. though I question your fidelity to marxism when you support CIA backed analytic philosophy like Wittgenstein over Marxist philosophy like Althusser

#332
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psychology will not be a useful science until it stops studying the psyche and starts working on ways to remove it
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babyhueypnewton posted:

jools posted:

there is some really good and useful post-marx philosophy (duh) but, in fact, you can dismiss hegel and heidegger

at least you're consistent. though I question your fidelity to marxism when you support CIA backed analytic philosophy like Wittgenstein over Marxist philosophy like Althusser



althusser got owned absolutely and finally by ep thompson.

the use of wittgenstein is more as a tool for thinking about other things though, i don't think it suggests much at all politically

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if you had a giant festering tumor attached to you would you want the surgeon to spend years mapping its idiosyncracies or would you want him to cut the damn thing off already
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#337
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i think alan sokal actually owns
#338
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nah alan sokal is an intellectually dishonest arsehole

he got owned to venus here http://math.bu.edu/people/nk/rr/ (these essays own)
#339
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he brought more attention to my favorite writers in the english speaking world than anyone or anything in the past twenty five years
#340
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psychological death. the preservation of your body's capacity to build and work so that others will be fed housed and clothed, and to consume so that the work of others will not be in vain, and enough variegation in behavior so you can provide a diverting range of stimuli for the very few whose thoughts actually count, and the ability to fight and die to preserve or merely amuse them. but no unnecessary powers to actually feel or think
#341
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free getfiscal

#342
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lol i remember now that you're a nietzsche fan. and you complain to me about wittgenstein???
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I think anti-liberalism is the primary task of marxist philosophy at the moment, so I'll look at anyone who is anti-liberal and anti-empiricist even if this doesn't put them directly in the socialist camp. I know thug lessons believes marxism is liberalism cause he's boring but I don't remember where you stand.
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You can't be truly anti-liberal while still believing the fiction that women are people, let alone possess "rights".
#347
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no, marxism is the aufheben of liberalism
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mustang19 posted:

You can't be truly anti-liberal while still believing the fiction that women are people, let alone possess "rights".

this is actual anti-liberalism, and its not marxism

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i actually dont mind wittgenstein, he's the best of the analytic philosophers, and since they're all saying the same thing there's really no reason to read anything beyond him. but he's still an analytic philosopher which is not real philosophy as Marx defined it in the theses on feuerbach
#350
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but to answer your question, i'm a humanist in the same way Fanon was a humanist
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mt.real
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littlegreenpills posted:

psychological death. the preservation of your body's capacity to build and work so that others will be fed housed and clothed, and to consume so that the work of others will not be in vain, and enough variegation in behavior so you can provide a diverting range of stimuli for the very few whose thoughts actually count, and the ability to fight and die to preserve or merely amuse them. but no unnecessary powers to actually feel or think

this is already what happens when you get a prescription for enough numbing drug mind-foam to dull yourself into being happy as a thoughtless productive participant in capitalism though??? or is that the joke. ok you got me

#352
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*snaps head around* but isn't socialism a meme
#353
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jools posted:

no, marxism is the aufheben of liberalism



this is the traditional marxist answer, but im not so sure. the bourgeois have long since finished their productive role in history as well as in the history of thought, and yet they're still around. the project of marxist-humanism completely failed, turning into crony capitalism in the former USSR and hippie apple products in the west. there's very little marxist philosophy at the moment worth a damn coming from anywhere.

obviously the experiment of fusing marxism with freud, nietzsche, lacan, hegel, etc has already been tried and you could say that failed too, but at least it's something else than the dreary accepted marxist politics that trotskyite parties in britain and the USA pass off as praxis.

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#355
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jools posted:

but to answer your question, i'm a humanist in the same way Fanon was a humanist



but fanon was a hegelian through and through

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mt.real
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babyhueypnewton posted:

jools posted:
no, marxism is the aufheben of liberalism


this is the traditional marxist answer, but im not so sure. the bourgeois have long since finished their productive role in history as well as in the history of thought, and yet they're still around. the project of marxist-humanism completely failed, turning into crony capitalism in the former USSR and hippie apple products in the west. there's very little marxist philosophy at the moment worth a damn coming from anywhere.

obviously the experiment of fusing marxism with freud, nietzsche, lacan, hegel, etc has already been tried and you could say that failed too, but at least it's something else than the dreary accepted marxist politics that trotskyite parties in britain and the USA pass off as praxis.


also everyone loves fusion these days. check out my russian-chinese marxist dumpling food truck

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lol how do you think history works dude, do you think an alarm clock went off in 1700 or something to alert the bourgeoisie that they were now the universal class or something?

you have a weird account of humanism too, hippie apple shit is far more a product of anti-humanism than humanism you know...
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babyhueypnewton posted:

jools posted:

but to answer your question, i'm a humanist in the same way Fanon was a humanist

but fanon was a hegelian through and through



so what? he was also a humanist

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"Let us decide not to imitate Europe: let us combine our muscle and our brains in a new direction. Let us try to create a new man, whom Europe has been incapable of bringing to triumphant birth."

this is fanon in the wretched of the earth.
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hippie apple shit is romanticism and thus the manure in which the stinkblossoms of fascism grow