like two years ago
lol
deadken posted:who was it that made that chomsky "menu du marxisme" post
like two years ago
lol
jools made the first 'menu du socialisme' post many moons ago
"Dialectics is one that I’ve never understood, actually—I’ve just never understood what the word means. Marx doesn’t use it, incidentally, it’s used by Engels. And if anybody can tell me what it is, I’ll be happy. I mean, I’ve read all kinds of things which talk about ‘dialectics’—I haven’t the foggiest idea what it is. It seems to mean something about complexity, or alternative positions, or change, or something. I don’t know…"
“I’m not saying that it doesn’t have any meaning-you observe people using the term and they look like they’re communicating. But it’s like when I watch people talking Turkish: something’s going on, but I’m not part of it."
marx talks about dialectics in the introduction to capital and on pages 100-103, 423, 425, 532, 533, 729 and 990 of the penguin classics edition (london: 1990) lol
getfiscal posted:rosa lichtenstein has refuted dialectics.
indeed
http://www.anti-dialectics.co.uk/SW_Letter_001.htm
In this passage quoted by Marx, not one single Hegelian concept is to be found (no "contradictions", no change of "quantity into quality", no "negation of the negation", no "unity and identity of opposites", no "Totality"), and yet Marx calls this both the "dialectic method" and "my method". So, Marx's "method" has had Hegel completely excised --, except for the odd phrase or two with which he merely "coquetted", here and there. This is, of course, the version of HM I advocate in my Essays.
It is thus pleasing to see Marx and Rosa are in total agreement, at least here.
Naturally, DM-fans won't like this, but they should pick a fight with Marx for destroying their illusions, not me.
So, not so much turning Hegel 'on his head' as decapitating him...
also http://www.anti-dialectics.co.uk/page%2009_01.htm#Marx-And-DM--11
Q,E,D,
i hope this is enough to summon rosa again
getfiscal posted:it's ironic that chomsky rails against stalinist overlords when he's a public sector manager in the military-industrial complex who looks like a typical retired bureaucrat.... become what you are... help me plan a socialist utopia with MIT math grads chomsky
He designed war machines for the pentagon for fucks sake: he’s about as much of a legitimate leftist hero as Saddam Hussein
Ironicwarcriminal posted:getfiscal posted:it's ironic that chomsky rails against stalinist overlords when he's a public sector manager in the military-industrial complex who looks like a typical retired bureaucrat.... become what you are... help me plan a socialist utopia with MIT math grads chomsky
He designed war machines for the pentagon for fucks sake: he’s about as much of a legitimate leftist hero as Saddam Hussein
Not a good analogy bro *thinks back on better times and asks u to do the same*
Ironicwarcriminal posted:getfiscal posted:it's ironic that chomsky rails against stalinist overlords when he's a public sector manager in the military-industrial complex who looks like a typical retired bureaucrat.... become what you are... help me plan a socialist utopia with MIT math grads chomsky
He designed war machines for the pentagon for fucks sake: he’s about as much of a legitimate leftist hero as Saddam Hussein
lol yeah i remember south vietnam trembling under the might of our Linguistics Missiles
Goethestein posted:dialectics is worthless gibberish
wrap it up anti-imperialistailures, the syrian opposition is metal as fuck and has earned victory through their iron will
(Cox, John K. Slovenia: Evolving Loyalties. New York: Routledge. 2005. p. 64.)
jools posted:goatstein remember that time you argued against the labour theory of value by posting a bunch of gibberish from baudrillard you hadn't actually read. good times.
baudrillard was absolutely correct, value doesn't derive from labor. sorry about your globally failed economic system
clanzy posted:wrap it up anti-imperialistailures, the syrian opposition is metal as fuck and has earned victory through their iron will
that guy didn't really eat the heart, he just put it to his lips and they cut filming. more pallywood trickery
edit: cleaned it up a bit
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Goethestein posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
getfiscal posted:
it's ironic that chomsky rails against stalinist overlords when he's a public sector manager in the military-industrial complex who looks like a typical retired bureaucrat.... become what you are... help me plan a socialist utopia with MIT math grads chomsky
He designed war machines for the pentagon for fucks sake: he’s about as much of a legitimate leftist hero as Saddam Hussein
lol yeah i remember south vietnam trembling under the might of our Linguistics Missiles
i love how an 18 year old hick from impoverished arkansas thrown into a war is somehow evil and yet you handwave away the culpability of Chomsky
However, Chomsky has been paid millions by the Department of Defense over the past forty years, mainly through his work at the Pentagon funded MIT Research Laboratory of Electronics which even offered perks that other departments in the school did not. Chomsky’s first books, Syntactic Structures, and Aspects of the Theory of Syntax were written with grants from the U.S. Army, the Air Force, and the Office of Naval Research. He worked with his wife who is also a linguist on a DoD-funded project called “Baseball,”(11) and helped to develop “command and control” computer systems used to “support our forces in Vietnam” through making it easier for commanders’ queries to be translated into a language that computers could deal with.
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/politics/book_summaries/daisnaid/daisnaid_chomsky.php
Ironicwarcriminal posted:Goethestein posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
getfiscal posted:
it's ironic that chomsky rails against stalinist overlords when he's a public sector manager in the military-industrial complex who looks like a typical retired bureaucrat.... become what you are... help me plan a socialist utopia with MIT math grads chomsky
He designed war machines for the pentagon for fucks sake: he’s about as much of a legitimate leftist hero as Saddam Hussein
lol yeah i remember south vietnam trembling under the might of our Linguistics Missilesi love how an 18 year old hick from impoverished arkansas thrown into a war is somehow evil and yet you handwave away the culpability of Chomsky
However, Chomsky has been paid millions by the Department of Defense over the past forty years, mainly through his work at the Pentagon funded MIT Research Laboratory of Electronics which even offered perks that other departments in the school did not. Chomsky’s first books, Syntactic Structures, and Aspects of the Theory of Syntax were written with grants from the U.S. Army, the Air Force, and the Office of Naval Research. He worked with his wife who is also a linguist on a DoD-funded project called “Baseball,”(11) and helped to develop “command and control” computer systems used to “support our forces in Vietnam” through making it easier for commanders’ queries to be translated into a language that computers could deal with.
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/politics/book_summaries/daisnaid/daisnaid_chomsky.php
this is lame even for you iwc
chomsky is a paid up member of the MIC
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roseweird posted:iwc, i don't think chomsky is a hero or positions himself as a hero, but he is a person with a worthwhile perspective who says informative and deeply challenging things. also, i didn't know that about him, but in truth, i think someone who hashes out syntactic structures in the context of war is someone who is very well-equipped to analyze those structures. i'm not interested in his culpability (we are all extremely guilty!) but in his ideas.
yes I saw him give a speech when he accepted the sydney international piece prize a year or so ago, he does have worthwhile ideas.
he also built his profile and prosperity on the systematic slaughter of Asian peasants, I don't think these two points are mutually exclusive
clanzy posted:wrap it up anti-imperialistailures, the syrian opposition is metal as fuck and has earned victory through their iron will
That is Hella Badasss.