roseweird posted:SariBari you seem to be attempting to pigeonhole me as a person who believes men and women are walking stereotypes, while using words like "retarded" and accusing me of participating in a "black or white world of transtheory". your quote is great and all but i never said "cis" and "trans" described discrete social classes. i only said that "cisgender" was a useful word for describing things that are "not transgender'. this has nothing to do with pink dresses and shit, it is about saying "some people experience an overwhelming hatred of their bodies and an overriding desire to have a body of the opposite sex". SOME PEOPLE DON'T. and there is a word for those people. it is "cisgender". i am not interested in this game you are playing.
you seem to be reading too much and not enough at the same time! when i used the word retarded it was after disclipine said cissexism, QUIT PLAYING GAMES, GURRRRRRRL!
how was i pigeonholing you btw? i made fun of the idea that the word has to exist but cisgender doesn't need to exist so transpeople can talk about themselves. again, another pathetic attempt to force their own ideas of gender onto women who don't want it. because anyone should stop acting like males even care about this debate. they're not the ones who are in danger of being erased by it. it's only a useful term to boorish transfolk and their sadass libfem hanger-ons. i did say that your statement ascribed to that black-white worldview and i still believe it does.
and you're right. i have only ever met really awful, sometimes threatening, mentally ill men trying to pass as women. funfact: when i helped out with the production of a LGBT radioshow, the resident transwoman would sexually harass me and thought she could because She Was A Woman Now. but i hope that one day i meet a nice transwoman. i sincerely do.
tpaine posted:i mean anytime i read something like "cis" i just think "the world is fucked and you're arguing about this?!" which is maybe not healthy but definitely feels good
Maoism is the most healthy form of marxism because third world maoist revolutionaries keep in contact with 1st world collections of 50 students even though they don't have to. Without someone being like 'yo were living in the jungle and have our own society and shoot cops literally every day' you start to get lost and then you end up arguing about cis and trans and whether xir or xe is correct.
then again internet maoists are very serious about using amerikkka and retarded spellings so i dunno
babyhueypnewton posted:tpaine posted:i mean anytime i read something like "cis" i just think "the world is fucked and you're arguing about this?!" which is maybe not healthy but definitely feels good
Maoism is the most healthy form of marxism because third world maoist revolutionaries keep in contact with 1st world collections of 50 students even though they don't have to. Without someone being like 'yo were living in the jungle and have our own society and shoot cops literally every day' you start to get lost and then you end up arguing about cis and trans and whether xir or xe is correct.
then again internet maoists are very serious about using amerikkka and retarded spellings so i dunno
bhpn here once again to remind us that First World Women are THE WORST!!!!!! hey, i was wondering. when was the last time you were giving a speech or tabling somewhere and two men came up to you and threw things at you, attempted to hit you, and shared where your mother and grandmother live to rest of the mentally ill tumblr squad?
SariBari posted:you seem to be reading too much and not enough at the same time! when i used the word retarded it was after disclipine said cissexism, QUIT PLAYING GAMES, GURRRRRRRL!
how was i pigeonholing you btw? i made fun of the idea that the word has to exist but cisgender doesn't need to exist so transpeople can talk about themselves. again, another pathetic attempt to force their own ideas of gender onto women who don't want it. because anyone should stop acting like males even care about this debate. they're not the ones who are in danger of being erased by it. it's only a useful term to boorish transfolk and their sadass libfem hanger-ons. i did say that your statement ascribed to that black-white worldview and i still believe it does.
and you're right. i have only ever met really awful, sometimes threatening, mentally ill men trying to pass as women. funfact: when i helped out with the production of a LGBT radioshow, the resident transwoman would sexually harass me and thought she could because She Was A Woman Now. but i hope that one day i meet a nice transwoman. i sincerely do.
funfact: Goatstein alt detected. Eep!
Bartre posted:funfact: Goatstein alt detected. Eep!
and you're Superabound. so?????
SariBari posted:babyhueypnewton posted:tpaine posted:i mean anytime i read something like "cis" i just think "the world is fucked and you're arguing about this?!" which is maybe not healthy but definitely feels good
Maoism is the most healthy form of marxism because third world maoist revolutionaries keep in contact with 1st world collections of 50 students even though they don't have to. Without someone being like 'yo were living in the jungle and have our own society and shoot cops literally every day' you start to get lost and then you end up arguing about cis and trans and whether xir or xe is correct.
then again internet maoists are very serious about using amerikkka and retarded spellings so i dunnobhpn here once again to remind us that First World Women are THE WORST!!!!!! hey, i was wondering. when was the last time you were giving a speech or tabling somewhere and two men came up to you and threw things at you, attempted to hit you, and shared where your mother and grandmother live to rest of the mentally ill tumblr squad?
last time i did my standup routine 
that sux, i didnt think tumblr trans people actually left the house. im not saying the struggle isnt important to you, just that you're right that men do not care about this, it's entirely an issue dividing a movement that already has enough enemies. liken it to me posting about trotskyism, the proper revolutionary answer is to slaughter them as was done in Vietnam, China, Spain, and ofc the USSR, but since I can't do that as a first worlder I'm stuck posting about it on the internet.
roseweird posted:SariBari posted:QUIT PLAYING GAMES, GURRRRRRRL!
sorry saribari, i'll stop using this ridiculous patriarkkkal language "transgender and cisgender" and revert to the officially sanctioned "freaks and normals" asap
thanks but again i'll direct you to vagina-havers and wannabe vagina-havers. lylas!
roseweird posted:saribari as a trans person i try to be extremely critical of transgender discourse, but i still need words to describe my experience, just like you do. i don't believe you when you say that you hope to meet a nice "transwoman", because i think i am nice, or at least thoughtful and restrained, and i find your language extremely alienating.
i'm sorry, have we met? am i supposed to pretend that i know you now? oh, i was supposed to roll over like every Tumblr turd alive and cede to anyone appropriating the female experience just because You Said So. i'm sorry that it was easier for you to focus on poor mememememe than the erasure of female oppression as i referenced many times alongside with the problems that come from trying to analyze sexual politics with the cis/trans binary. i also never said you shouldn't use transgender. i am not sorry that we won't be discussing this ever again, though.
tpaine posted:Transactivist is also the name of my new prog-rock suite which will be released in June
Do you really mind if I sit that one out?
MadMedico posted:Sari, I'm a failure
MadMedico posted:Sari, if someone with a penis crosses into the threshold of a women's bathroom, is that rape?
IT Dont count as a penis iF its as small as your's. *bangs pots & pans*