discipline posted:I felt like using Jesus as the vehicle for this kind of elicitation was cheap.
it would have been hailed as a brilliant piece of provocative filmmaking if everyone didnt already know that Mel was a 100% serious devout Catholic literalist. or hadnt pissed off all the hollywood jews
When does one gain the right to criticize another people's interpretation of their history? You're certainly not a disinterested party. Can you seriously imagine writing an article like this about say, the American Indian Genocide Museum?
"An overwhelming concrete monstrosity. All of these photos of Indians dying at the hands of settlers, sure it makes me feel "sympathetic", but I have to wonder... what's the point? It's just awfully garish"
You have adopted the uniquely modern and western viewpoint that victimhood confers absolute moral superiority and is therefore a coveted status. You are an American who is the aggressor, thereby by whining enough about The American and his ally The Jew you can somehow become a victim by proxy, thus gaining the ability to speak with the stark clarity of a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr.? "History will vindicate your stance!" you might tell yourself as you help a Palestinian man who is presumably undressing your nubile western body in his mind while you go on about setting up an organic teff farm or whatever you did in Palestine.
The Palestinians suck, Arabs suck, they're a shitty backwards people who deserve everything they get, just like the Jews and everyone else who isn't America or another country of winners. Who today has a nation that had it in the past? What land exists today that wasn't stolen from others? What right did the Arabs have to conquer, colonize and destroy the incredibly ancient, unique and vibrant cultures which existed from Morocco to Pakistan?
Living in China has opened my eyes. No one here cares that Urumqi was built upon the literal bones of 600,000 Dzunghar tribesmen who were systematically massacred and driven off of their land, and why should they? They didn't do it, and can we really say the Uighurs would have done a great job with Xinjiang if they had kept it? History has winners and losers, the question you should be asking yourself is, why are you trying to join the losing side?
Rather than trying to convince the Israeli people to be self-reflecting about the nature of the holocaust and their current political situation, you should consider an alternative path. Help the Palestinians convert to Judaism, learn Hebrew and assimilate into the Israeli mainstream. Let them reclaim their land as part of a unified Israel. As a nation of settlers, the Israelis are already well versed in accepting outsiders into their society in a way that Arabs are not and have never been.
If you think the Palestinians are the aboriginal inhabitants of the area, and there's every reason to suspect most of them are, at least in part, then converting to Judaism would be reclaiming a part of their history and culture which, as you so often proclaim, they really care about to the point of having opera houses and whatever, as if opera is some signifier of "high culture". What are the Palestinian Arabs today but the same pathetic, sniveling toads who 1,400 years ago abandoned their Hellenistic culture and Christian religion to the Arab conquerors? And before that abandoned their Phoenician, Samaritan and Jewish culture to the Greeks and Romans? Ah but of course, Islam is the "correct" religion so, this is truly the only conquest and assimilation that is "wrong"? I wonder if at that time you would have stood in the Basilica of St. John the Baptist in Damascus and demanded that the Arabs bulldoze over you before they turned it into a mosque?
Try studying a little logic, it will do your writing a lot of good when you write your scathing invectives against such deserving targets as the Holocaust Memorial and its lack of treatment of the subject of Palestinian nationhood. I hear there's a library in suburban Toronto that glosses over the Rape of Nanking in their WWII book corner, perhaps you can write an article about that next.
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discipline posted:I never liked being tickled as a child. Someone was eliciting a response from me that was not 100% genuine and was completely beyond my control. It wasn't until I was older that I realized this happened all the time. When you walk out of a movie crying, you're feeling something completely manufactured and often cheap. I didn't like horror movies because it seemed so manipulative. I enjoy film and music that makes me feel something, but I prefer to have control over my emotion. A song might make me feel happy and think of a loved one, or a film might fill me with a kind of dread that I can reflect on in my own life.
honey, you have aspergers
FSAD posted:Why would the museum at Yad Vashem mention Palestine? What does Palestine have to do with the holocaust? Huh, it's almost as if these Jews are obsessed with not mentioning Palestine all the time. If the Holocaust has nothing to do with Americans then neither does Palestine, yet that doesn't stop you from caring about it. Why in Jerusalem? Because it's a center of Jewish culture and history and a very large percentage of Jewish people in the world will at some point or another travel there, and the holocaust is a formative event in Jewish consciousness.
When does one gain the right to criticize another people's interpretation of their history? You're certainly not a disinterested party. Can you seriously imagine writing an article like this about say, the American Indian Genocide Museum?
"An overwhelming concrete monstrosity. All of these photos of Indians dying at the hands of settlers, sure it makes me feel "sympathetic", but I have to wonder... what's the point? It's just awfully garish"
You have adopted the uniquely modern and western viewpoint that victimhood confers absolute moral superiority and is therefore a coveted status. You are an American who is the aggressor, thereby by whining enough about The American and his ally The Jew you can somehow become a victim by proxy, thus gaining the ability to speak with the stark clarity of a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr.? "History will vindicate your stance!" you might tell yourself as you help a Palestinian man who is presumably undressing your nubile western body in his mind while you go on about setting up an organic teff farm or whatever you did in Palestine.
The Palestinians suck, Arabs suck, they're a shitty backwards people who deserve everything they get, just like the Jews and everyone else who isn't America or another country of winners. Who today has a nation that had it in the past? What land exists today that wasn't stolen from others? What right did the Arabs have to conquer, colonize and destroy the incredibly ancient, unique and vibrant cultures which existed from Morocco to Pakistan?
Living in China has opened my eyes. No one here cares that Urumqi was built upon the literal bones of 600,000 Dzunghar tribesmen who were systematically massacred and driven off of their land, and why should they? They didn't do it, and can we really say the Uighurs would have done a great job with Xinjiang if they had kept it? History has winners and losers, the question you should be asking yourself is, why are you trying to join the losing side?
Rather than trying to convince the Israeli people to be self-reflecting about the nature of the holocaust and their current political situation, you should consider an alternative path. Help the Palestinians convert to Judaism, learn Hebrew and assimilate into the Israeli mainstream. Let them reclaim their land as part of a unified Israel. As a nation of settlers, the Israelis are already well versed in accepting outsiders into their society in a way that Arabs are not and have never been.
If you think the Palestinians are the aboriginal inhabitants of the area, and there's every reason to suspect most of them are, at least in part, then converting to Judaism would be reclaiming a part of their history and culture which, as you so often proclaim, they really care about to the point of having opera houses and whatever, as if opera is some signifier of "high culture". What are the Palestinian Arabs today but the same pathetic, sniveling toads who 1,400 years ago abandoned their Hellenistic culture and Christian religion to the Arab conquerors? And before that abandoned their Phoenician, Samaritan and Jewish culture to the Greeks and Romans? Ah but of course, Islam is the "correct" religion so, this is truly the only conquest and assimilation that is "wrong"? I wonder if at that time you would have stood in the Basilica of St. John the Baptist in Damascus and demanded that the Arabs bulldoze over you before they turned it into a mosque?
Try studying a little logic, it will do your writing a lot of good when you write your scathing invectives against such deserving targets as the Holocaust Memorial and its lack of treatment of the subject of Palestinian nationhood. I hear there's a library in suburban Toronto that glosses over the Rape of Nanking in their WWII book corner, perhaps you can write an article about that next.
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thirdplace posted:lol living in china makes people more conservative really, really reliably
oh god i was just reminded of pro-prc laowai
both of you make good points and this is an interesting dialectic
I agree with you that I would find it distasteful being in that museum knowing of the occupation going on around me but at the same time
You have adopted the uniquely modern and western viewpoint that victimhood confers absolute moral superiority and is therefore a coveted status
Seems like a fair point as well. History has always been written by the victors so it hardly seems productive or insightful to be outraged about it. Blowing up the Holocaust museum would be an interesting critique but pointing out it’s hypocrisy isn’t.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:Don’t think I’ve ever heard the word “virulent” before any phrase but “strain of the disease” or “anti-semitism”, like how I’ve never seen the word “firebrand” without it being followed by ‘”cleric”
as in "the firebrand cleric cast magic missile against the kobold to little effect"
Keven posted:I'm trying to upvote 12 hours of farts but my phone won't let me.
got u coverde buddy, andriood suprmeacy 4 lyfe
Ironicwarcriminal posted:Seems like a fair point as well. History has always been written by the victors so it hardly seems productive or insightful to be outraged about it. Blowing up the Holocaust museum would be an interesting critique but pointing out it’s hypocrisy isn’t.
get a job at the front desk and tell everyone who comes in that youve instituted a new admission policy and stamp their hands with one of these
Superabound posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Seems like a fair point as well. History has always been written by the victors so it hardly seems productive or insightful to be outraged about it. Blowing up the Holocaust museum would be an interesting critique but pointing out it’s hypocrisy isn’t.
get a job at the front desk and tell everyone who comes in that youve instituted a new admission policy and stamp their hands with one of these
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babyhueypnewton posted:wonder why the chinese revolution didn't have brigades of white people flying in to help like in Spain hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
canadians went because we rule. see: norman bethune, who supported mao zedong's bourgeois-democratic non-socialist revolution.
getfiscal posted:babyhueypnewton posted:wonder why the chinese revolution didn't have brigades of white people flying in to help like in Spain hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
canadians went because we rule. see: norman bethune, who supported mao zedong's bourgeois-democratic non-socialist revolution.
new zealander rewi alley went too. apparently we also had the only communist party in the developed world at the time to follow a pro-china line following the sino-soviet split
