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discuss
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Mike Nelson here.
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are we running out of asians?
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Nippon
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getfiscal posted:

are we running out of asians?



thats extremely racist getfiscal. for shame for shame.

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no but you don't understand, Japanese people don't buy into an American version of WWII and Japanese imperialists and therefore they are "crazy" and "right wing". Read all about it in the D&D China and Japan megathreads, populated by English teachers with no education, the usualy dozen D&D posters who happen to be experts in every subject, and racists who float in from GBS.
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Racism implies conscious motivation towards racial bias. Just because the result of something has racial consequences does not mean that the actions themselves were racially motivated. So it's really not fair to even humor such assertions. The actual issue in this case is with harm being done to groups of lower socioeconomic status (which for historical reasons has correlations with ethnic groups), and by framing it in terms of race it does a disservice to the actual issues, and also trivializing the struggle of people who are poor but also white.
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Even the left has largely condemned Japanese imperialism as in bed with NAZIsm, ignoring the complex relationship between third world liberation movements and Japan, black liberation in the USA and the war, and most importantly India and Japan against the British. Not to say Japanese imperialism was more desirable (though it was much better than European imperialism), but third world Marxist movements saw NAZIsm/Japanese imperialism as equivalent to U.S./British imperialism and if japan hasn't "apologized" sufficiently than the US and Britain are still NAZI regimes in comparison.

Just another example of lazy leftists who automatically absorb hegemonic propaganda of history because it's easier rather than creating an entirely new Marxist history.
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Goethestein posted:

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i once almost got in a literal fistfight with my dad over this lol

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the thing i think i like best is that even otherwise nonracist liberals will say shit like "the japanese culture at the time was such that every man, woman and child would fight to the death to avoid a loss of honor"
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lol if you have a dad. dadhaving childlords
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Nippon
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the only evidence anywhere that that was the case was from the opinion of the japanese generals during meetings on how in the fuck they had the slightest chance of not being conquered and executed, and as the war nerd points out, when you start filling in holes in your military strategy with "and then the people will rise up" you have about a 0% success rate
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Unapologetic Opponent of Rape
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Did you ever consider that maybe they deserved it, for being heathen pagans?
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Goethestein posted:

the thing i think i like best is that even otherwise nonracist liberals will say shit like "the japanese culture at the time was such that every man, woman and child would fight to the death to avoid a loss of honor"



in their defense, our parents' (grandparents for some of you) generation has had the bullshit national excuses for the single largest atrocity ever perpetrated upon the human race drilled into their heads every second of the day for literally the first 20 some odd years of their lives, witha strong dose of booster shots every time they watch the History Channel

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My grandpa fought in the Pacific and, till the day he died, thought the Japanese were the most vile, evil people on the planet, but he thought the use of the bomb was due to the incompetence of the American military leadership (specifically MacArthur) to get the job done earlier and a fear that the Russians would have to come in and help. As an aside, Gramps helped build a mansion for MacArthur in the Phillipines only to have the good general leave the island (after thousands of American marines had died) with his famous "I shall return." Growing up poor in the backwaters of the Tennessee valley, Grandpa never forgave him.
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"Detonating nuclear bombs on civilian populaces actually SAVES more lives than it costs. Which is why Iran and North Korea should never, ever, ever be allowed to own one."
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"Wait wait, why are you running away? Im only trying to help!" *bombards you with neutrons*
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Nip imperialism was actually a lot better than European imperialism. They built up schools and industry in their colonies which was why Korea and Taiwan had a head start on everyone else after WWII.
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mustang19 posted:

Nip imperialism was actually a lot better than European imperialism. They built up schools and industry in their colonies which was why Korea and Taiwan had a head start on everyone else after WWII.

Unit 731 lol.

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What would rhizonners care about "brutality"?
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mustang19 posted:

Nip imperialism was actually a lot better than European imperialism. They built up schools and industry in their colonies which was why Korea and Taiwan had a head start on everyone else after WWII.



This is 100% true, I had a professor from Korea University who presented a paper at KU that the development of the Asian tigers was the result of development of industry, education, and a comprador bourgeoisie by the Japanese. He was told he should leave and probably not come back to the school anymore.

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Cycloneboy posted:

mustang19 posted:

Nip imperialism was actually a lot better than European imperialism. They built up schools and industry in their colonies which was why Korea and Taiwan had a head start on everyone else after WWII.

Unit 731 lol.



obviously China is a different story but Mao still correctly identified American imperialism as the major enemy of the masses of the oppressed third world

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i never understood the distinction between nuclear bombing and the firebombing campaigns used on other cities in both japan and germany. the firebombings killed a lot more people and wiped entire cities off the map more effectively than a single nuke. it seems like the only significant differences are spectacle and the ease in carrying out the act.

i guess radiation is scary???

Nip imperialism was actually a lot better than European imperialism. They built up schools and industry in their colonies which was why Korea and Taiwan had a head start on everyone else after WWII.



the gentlest genocide

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I recall that the US received an offer from a sizable coalition of Japanese generals who stated that most of them were so sick of fighting (duh) that all they were willing to order a withdrawal of their own forces to make the it impossible for the Japanese to continue fighting (which would probably end in civil war lmao). Which really speaks to how much bullshit the whole "the entire civilian population would fight to the death" shtick was, their own supposedly indoctrinated soldiers and tyrannical authoritarian stereotype generals were tired and just wanted to go home to the point of contemplating treason.

The US negotiators drove them off by insisting on completely ridiculous terms of surrender. I think the actual deal they wound up with (after the nukes dropped) bore an uncanny resemblance to the initial terms of those tentatively rogue generals. Gotta flex those atomic muscles!

It's been a loooong time since I read that and I can't even remember where from so it might all be bullshit, but I remember that book otherwise being totally orthodox with regards to the US being angelic saviors so it struck me as a little odd that detail snuck in.
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here's a simple fact that nobody ever seems to want to bring up: japan is an island, and at the time had its navy, airforce, and foreign presence almost completely destroyed, and every one of its closest neighbors a bitter enemy. even if japan really was this hell on earth where we couldn't send in troops without losing tens of thousands of them just to yellow infants popping out of their cribs with bared teeth like rage zombies, we could just have blockaded the island and instituted sanctions. even if the japanese were not willing to surrender, which they were by the way, a land invasion was not necessary which removes the bullshit false moral dichotomy of "lose a million of Are Own Boys or a few hundred thousand civilians"
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Who cares, WW2 shows that the total destruction of a society in a war leaves it much more successful in the long run.

If the Jews had nuked Ramallah in 48 we’d be playing games on Palestinian consoles right now.
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Goethestein posted:

here's a simple fact that nobody ever seems to want to bring up: japan is an island, and at the time had its navy, airforce, and foreign presence almost completely destroyed, and every one of its closest neighbors a bitter enemy. even if japan really was this hell on earth where we couldn't send in troops without losing tens of thousands of them just to yellow infants popping out of their cribs with bared teeth like rage zombies, we could just have blockaded the island and instituted sanctions. even if the japanese were not willing to surrender, which they were by the way, a land invasion was not necessary which removes the bullshit false moral dichotomy of "lose a million of Are Own Boys or a few hundred thousand civilians"



It’s because men are genetically predisposed to be violent goat; whining about America obliterating Japanese cities is like whining about a bear catching a salmon.

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littlegreenpills posted:

childlords



lol

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babyhueypnewton posted:

creating an entirely new Marxist history.



goon project!!

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discipline posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
If the Jews had nuked Ramallah in 48 we’d be playing games on Palestinian consoles right now.


Ramallah in 1948 was like a village with 500 people, man. glad I never met u there



That’s Zionist nonsense designed to justify the erasure of a civilization by appealing to it’s mythical primitive nature. Ramallah actually had 450,000 people and a highly developed tech sector.

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Japan gets nuked all the time, it doesn't care. There should be a national Sharia Law day instead to kill of those who insulted Islam last year and didn't wear their niqab.



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Agnus_Dei posted:


remember when maggotmaster spammed this in the LF political cartoons thread and a lot of "liberals" got "buttmad"? i dont but he conveniently reminded his tumblr followers of the incident

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Conveniently I

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Dont worry I escaped

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Goethestein posted:

otherwise nonracist liberals

catchphrase

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D.C.
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Goethestein posted:

here's a simple fact that nobody ever seems to want to bring up: japan is an island, and at the time had its navy, airforce, and foreign presence almost completely destroyed, and every one of its closest neighbors a bitter enemy. even if japan really was this hell on earth where we couldn't send in troops without losing tens of thousands of them just to yellow infants popping out of their cribs with bared teeth like rage zombies, we could just have blockaded the island and instituted sanctions. even if the japanese were not willing to surrender, which they were by the way, a land invasion was not necessary which removes the bullshit false moral dichotomy of "lose a million of Are Own Boys or a few hundred thousand civilians"



Considering what Japan was like in 1945 that probably would have killed more people than the A-bombs. Starvation remained a serious problem even in the early phases of the occupation, although the complete destruction of their industrial infrastructure probably had a part in that alongside the blockade.