ArisVelouchiotis posted:

Goethestein posted:

ArisVelouchiotis posted:

[he also wrote some horrible stuff during the invasion in 03 but i don't know if he's talked about it recently.

no he didn't, glenn greenwald never wrote anything prior to 2005. you're regurgitating liberal character assassination and mark ames' meth grudge

I didn't write that GG was a rabid supporter of the war or some influential hawk in the media in 2003. Bad opinions, that's all. I made a mistake in the wording, but it's not that important. He didn't actually write a terrible post on some obscure blog in 2003. He held bad opinions in 2003 and put the bad opinions in print in 2005.

I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

This isn't a horrible position? Well, I was a tad bit unsure about the whole war thing, so I just hunkered down and looked to the Leader and Flag for guidance. When in doubt, go nationalist.

it is certainly a horrible position, which is why in the book it appears in it is explicitly presented as a shameful source of regret

ArisVelouchiotis posted:

I don't remember deep shame and agony in the book, and he doesn't seem to address it these days. Nonetheless, he had some godawful opinions in the beginning.

so what if he supported the iraq war as a private citizen? most americans did at some point, he never wrote or spoke in advocacy of it, and says he was wrong to support it or think that way. there's a couple of shitty libertarian columns in the beginning which he has also denounced, but the man has been probably the most visible and prolific critic from the left of policy over the last six or seven years.

angelbutt_dollface posted:

how are that many people that incompetent

cops arent poeple

Goethestein posted:

ArisVelouchiotis posted:

I don't remember deep shame and agony in the book, and he doesn't seem to address it these days. Nonetheless, he had some godawful opinions in the beginning.



so what if he supported the iraq war as a private citizen? most americans did at some point, he never wrote or spoke in advocacy of it, and says he was wrong to support it or think that way. there's a couple of shitty libertarian columns in the beginning which he has also denounced, but the man has been probably the most visible and prolific critic from the left of policy over the last six or seven years.

It's too late to get into the first part.

I find the political turnaround to be interesting. And it's amusing to look back at his old stuff. Eight years ago he was railing against the treachery of fanatical anti-American forces in Latin America, and today he's a relatively influential anti-war, anti-imperialist commentator. How times have changed.

Goethestein posted:

those empty city pics are weird. as far as i know, the suggestion to stay inside was just that, and you could probably be out in those areas if you wanted to, excepting the crime scene around the bombing. but i wonder about how harassed you would be by the police if you tried to just walk around outside

they issued a shelter-in-place warning which is like an official emergency thing. i don't know if that's legally binding like a curfew though.

getfiscal posted:

when they said they thought he may never be able to answer questions, they forgot that just because he couldn't speak he could still answer questions by writing things down, so now they are getting him to write things down.

(inhales deeply) USA!! USA!! USA!!

ArisVelouchiotis posted:

Goethestein posted:

ArisVelouchiotis posted:

[he also wrote some horrible stuff during the invasion in 03 but i don't know if he's talked about it recently.

no he didn't, glenn greenwald never wrote anything prior to 2005. you're regurgitating liberal character assassination and mark ames' meth grudge

I didn't write that GG was a rabid supporter of the war or some influential hawk in the media in 2003. Bad opinions, that's all. I made a mistake in the wording, but it's not that important. He didn't actually write a terrible post on some obscure blog in 2003. He held bad opinions in 2003 and put the bad opinions in print in 2005.

I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

This isn't a horrible position? Well, I was a tad bit unsure about the whole war thing, so I just hunkered down and looked to the Leader and Flag for guidance. When in doubt, go nationalist.

that's just some crap that liberals have been floating around because they get all weepy when he opposes obama. if you give it a little thought, it doesn't make any sense at all as an attack on greenwald.

are you gonna argue that he's prone to support imperialist wars? because he's clearly not
are you gonna argue that he used his punditry to support the iraq war? well no because that was before he was writing
are you gonna say he had a wrong opinion once, that we only know about because he confessed it while writing about his political evolution, so now we can discard whatever he writes? well that's what his opponents are hoping for. also funny because 90% of them all supported the iraq war more than he did.

anyway he already did respond to that
http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/frequently-told-lies-ftls.html

ggw posted:

fwiw it looked like a lovely spring day when this was all happening