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Cycloneboy posted:

cleanhands posted:

its absurd that someone can form a hypothesis, perform an experiment that might prove such a hypothesis, and call themselves a scientist. what scientists really do is perform the experiment first, then see what hypothesis emerges from the data collected

No you fucking idiot, they don't do either of those things. Scientists form a hypothesis, then design an experiment to try to disprove the hypothesis. Jesus Christ.

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is this a troll? am i being trolled?
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#1124

tpaine posted:

Scientists! Am I right people!? Who's with me!


you have my S Word

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cycloneboy the historical evidence suggests that there's never been a consistent method to science
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Well at least the serious journalists at Newsweek/The Daily Beast take Melissa Farley seriously.
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Shit, I didn't read the full article, she actually EXCLUSIVELY released the report to Newsweek.

Also according to Farley if you've looked at porn more than once a month, that puts you in the same category as a guy who visits escorts on a weekly basis.
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Her prostitution studies have been criticized by sociologist Ronald Weitzer, for alleged problems with their methodology. In particular, Weitzer was critical of what he viewed as the lack of transparency in how the interviews were conducted and how the responses were translated into statistical data, as well as the sampling bias toward highly marginalized groups of sex workers (such as street workers) and for the way the findings of Farley's studies have been more generally applied to demonstrate the harm of sex work of all kinds. A 2002 study by Chudakov, et al. used Farley's PTSD instrument to measure the rate of post-traumatic stress disorder among sex workers in Israel. Of the fifty five consenting women interviewed, 17% met the criteria for PTSD, compared to Farley's 68% figure.



when was the last time you saw an Israeli with PTSD

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oh this is gigglable

The reason that this report would not be accepted if it was subjected to ordinary academic peer review processes is not because it is biased per se but that the particular form of bias is one that (i) translates the social, economic, political and ideological realities of commercial sex and the complexity of the relationships involved into more or less 'simple' questions of violence or lack thereof, (ii) transposes what might be economic questions or other questions and realities into gender i.e. everything is the result of gender, and (iii) conflates fundamentally different social phenomena (rape, paedophilia and other forms of sexual violence) in a way which closes off understanding rather than opens it up.



from some multi-academic panel telling mel farley to stfu

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090207152545/http://www.mediawatch.com/wordpress/?p=21

chiming in to say I kind of disagree with this. if a woman enthusiastically consents to BDSM activity because she finds it pleasurable, i don't think there's anything wrong with it.
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same, but capitalism
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#1133

MadMedico posted:






Look man, you cant make so many posts about what you masturbate to. Have some discretion

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are you ready to eat jellyfish?
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discipline posted:

MadMedico posted:

haha okay what should she have released it to that would have had wide readership?

An actual - get this - an actual scientific journal with a good peer-review process.

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It is not that lack of peer review inherently turns good science to bad, or the presence of peer review turns bad science to good; but rather, that bad scientists know they cannot pass the peer review process, and good scientists respect the help that thorough, well-reasoned, outside criticism provides.
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cleanhands posted:

its absurd that someone can form a hypothesis, perform an experiment that might prove such a hypothesis, and call themselves a scientist. what scientists really do is perform the experiment first, then see what hypothesis emerges from the data collected



except if you're a climate scientist and you just sooth-say a whole bunch of shit and hope it comes true.

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animedad posted:

cycloneboy the historical evidence suggests that there's never been a consistent method to science



no kidding

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littlegreenpills posted:

Her prostitution studies have been criticized by sociologist Ronald Weitzer, for alleged problems with their methodology. In particular, Weitzer was critical of what he viewed as the lack of transparency in how the interviews were conducted and how the responses were translated into statistical data, as well as the sampling bias toward highly marginalized groups of sex workers (such as street workers) and for the way the findings of Farley's studies have been more generally applied to demonstrate the harm of sex work of all kinds. A 2002 study by Chudakov, et al. used Farley's PTSD instrument to measure the rate of post-traumatic stress disorder among sex workers in Israel. Of the fifty five consenting women interviewed, 17% met the criteria for PTSD, compared to Farley's 68% figure.


when was the last time you saw an Israeli with PTSD



Israel is a PTSD

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discipline posted:

MadMedico posted:



haha okay what should she have released it to that would have had wide readership?


She probably shopped around for places who would give her publicity and Tina Brown's magazine was the only one with enough contempt for their readers that was interested.

#1142
if only Marx and Engels had been subject to peer review....no gulag, no Holodomor, no Great Leap Forward, millions of lives saved :'(
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haha
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littlegreenpills posted:

if only Marx and Engels had been subject to peer review....no gulag, no Holodomor, no Great Leap Forward, millions of lives saved :'(


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president blackberry is reclining in his seat within the Greenhouse when an aide rushes in. Sir SIr the residents of bluebery county are revolting!! (i know, thinks president blackbery to him self). Leave It To Me, he boldly proclaims, The 1st Gay President
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Blueberry's and black berrys.... I guess that worlds alot like our own: the halls of power are filled with juice.
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discipline posted:

haha okay what should she have released it to that would have had wide readership?



like duhhhhh, don't you know that soooo many journals are interested in the pink ghetto of prostitution, its obvs why there has been so much advancement in harm reduction in the united states. also, don't you know the academy throughout the west is already super fair to radical feminism and totally open to critiques of sex work (structured sexual servitude by gender).

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I bet social text would have published it (heh)
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discipline posted:

hey did you know women watch porn too? huh??! AND THEY LIKE IT???



*casually flips open FEMINISTS LOVE CUM book on the subway* hehe, yeah. it's for work

#1153
arguing about prostitution made me realize that 'abortion rights' is liberal bullshit too. i was hanging out with my sister when she was 12 weeks pregnant a few weeks ago, which is fair game for babykillers i guess, and she was full-on pregnant. like i saw the ultrasound and that's a child people, head and everything. and we're supposed to drink the kool aid and be like "oh but it's a choice", which is liberal atomism if anything is.
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SariBari posted:

discipline posted:

haha okay what should she have released it to that would have had wide readership?



like duhhhhh, don't you know that soooo many journals are interested in the pink ghetto of prostitution, its obvs why there has been so much advancement in harm reduction in the united states. also, don't you know the academy throughout the west is already super fair to radical feminism and totally open to critiques of sex work (structured sexual servitude by gender).



Which is why I'm glad we have radical marxist feminist outlets like the New York Times or Newsweek, or whatever nonprofit that guy that demi moore was married to runs.

#1155
there's plenty of peer-reviewed research on prostitution. there's also a ton of research on pornography, almost entirely from a critical/feminist perspective. not that academic research isn't biased against feminism but it's probably not more biased than newsweek.
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it looks like the paper was actually presented at a psychology conference before it was covered in newsweek. gosh golly
#1158
If you're thinking about masturbating to porn or visiting a massage parlor, instead drink Dr. Pepper 10. All 23 flavors, just 10 manly calories.
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