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YUNG JIRO AKA SHOWA STUNNA AKA
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That lp owns..
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SariBari posted:

thinking of you, my soviet friend.

"Personally, I have always been treated as very odd for trying to sell a paper to workmates, it has become a bizarre thing to do! " Hence, we must work as nationalists.

http://internationalsocialismuk.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-social-project-strategy.html


international social is muk

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SovietFriends posted:

yes

this thread is now for me to be snippy at people who are not active though

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cleanhands posted:

international social is muk



its literally for gossip for reference see: http://internationalsocialismuk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/a-response-to-swss-notes-national.html

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SovietFriends posted:

http://internationalsocialismuk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/a-response-to-swss-notes-national.html



you ain't jokin'. suffer, the little british children

Jo C didn’t really contribute anything to the meeting. In fact, when an FE student made a contribution, instead of listening intently and trying to answer his question as best she could, she instead chose to heckle him. This was incredibly rude and inappropriate, not least because she’s a middle aged adult and the FE student is one of the youngest members of the organisation. When the same FE comrade asked for advice as to how we build in FE, he was told to “call a meeting” with no explanation as to how and with whom.

#526
Mike Nelson here.
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revisionism... fuck... sick line, sick mind
#527
Online
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#528
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These orgs are worthless black holes of money and time, pointless relics designed only to give the leadership a vacation fund. Also, if you aren't a contributing member of one you're not communist.
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Keven posted:

These orgs are worthless black holes of money and time, pointless relics designed only to give the leadership a vacation fund. Also, if you aren't a contributing member of one you're not communist.



This is basically the way it works.

You don't get to join in with the more thought out discussions unless you make it through that contradiction.

It is kind of like smoking.

#530
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It is less satisfying then smoking though because smoking is awesome.
#531
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It is kind of like really ruining your life by editing it into something completely out of your control but for reasons which cannot not be correct.
#532
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i.e. Smoking
#533
Online
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wot
#534
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Are you sure you haven't just wasted your time and money on the dumbest shit possible and are now flailing around with if you don't vote you can't have an opinion!!!! level bumper sticker wisdom in order to justify it.
#535
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Can I join the ISO but just on the internet only? I could be an internet communist. So it doesn't have to interfere with my real life.

We'll collectivize our farmvilles or whatever terrible game people play. We can make a new USSR in the new Sim City game. Lets keep it to weekends.
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Keven posted:

Are you sure you haven't just wasted your time and money on the dumbest shit possible and are now flailing around with if you don't vote you can't have an opinion!!!! level bumper sticker wisdom in order to justify it.



yes i am sure

i have been on left for a long time and the majority of people who actually know how to do the mundane lark that needs to be done are in some way intertwined with an organisation even if they are not independent

it is ofc possible to get that outside of an organisation but you see it ridiculously rarely with the one exception being the academicy types who in turn do only have a particular place in the movement as a whole

none of the skills learned etc are that complicated and they could easily be created adhoc in the structures that would develop from a revolutionary movement but firstly that way that occurs is not spontaneous in itself and having people who already have some element of skills is useful plus the entire vanguard lark to keep entry costs into political movements low

the majority of people who do not go into it through that kind of structure tends to treat the movement as something they interact with in oddly independent which means they don't really ever get anything done no matter how much they "join in"

that is a problem and organisation in the abstract can change that even if the model for organisation though ABC parties is literally poison

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like the main reason to join organisations are super practical things like: learning how sectarianism actually works, running meetings, chairing, minute taking, agenda setting, how to network, how to recruit, writing propaganda, putting together an event, dealing with different types of other organisations, dealing with personnel problems within an organisation, looking after people within the organisation, taking criticism, how party discipline should work etc

The super important ones are: learning how to speak to crowds well and effecivley, learning how to run education and learning how to talk to people as a public revolutionary.


As I said they are not impossible to learn other places just an organisation gives you alot of room to do it in a specifically socialist context.

I am all for leaving an organisation later though and just taking what you need but that is radically more complicated then it seems, not least because these people become your comrades which is an awesome relationship but even more so because it is really fucking hard being independent and the pace is totally different which can make you take on shitty ideological positions about just how awesome the party is. (see swp for an example of this)

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G_Hosafat posted:

We'll collectivize our farmvilles or whatever terrible game people play. We can make a new USSR in the new Sim City game. Lets keep it to weekends.



um so yeah guys the revolution was gonna be on friday but

jim said he couldn't get off work so we're doing it on saturday. text me

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its possible to create your own oliebollenkram depending on the local market for the latest in euro-snacks but its difficult to imagine doing so if your only involvement with the market is to just critique the low quality of oliebollen without any sense of how they are actually function in reality and half of working that out is to actually work in an oliebollenkram rather then simply approach the topic as if your a connoisseur due to believing your understanding of the euro-snack market from the outside gives you some special insight

saying that its perfectly possible to contribute to the fundamental need for the euro-snack market to revolutionize itself from the outside but if it wants to triumph over the current us-centric snack market (despite its roots in the euro and even the non eurocentric conceptions of snacks) at some point people need to understand oliebollenkram are ran and always will be ran by the people who actually work in them, they are after all a functioning industry and fulfill a very particular roll in the euro-snack market as a whole even if their problems cause contradictions which engender the need for them to be completely changed
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snaxis
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cuban cakes
#544
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i had to choke down a birthday cake in cuba it was awful
#545
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i hope the bourgiouse dont find that out because if that is not an unparralled anecdote for communism being better in theory i dont know what is
#546
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what made it so bad
#547
Poronto
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soaked in rum liqueur. yech. disgusting
#548
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because they only got self sufficient in flour in like 2012 i assume it was made with cheap non wheat imported flour

i am guessing it was either rice of bean flour if either of those are possible but it basically tasted like rice and beans but in cake form with lots of sugar
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oil not butter i am guessing as well
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Poronto
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is Cuba self sufficient in rice or beans? also you can make flor out of both these things but they're more expensive on world markets coz of economies of scale for wheat. i wd hazard sugarcane fibers or possibly mud
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they are not self sufficient in anything but they are getting better with fruit and veg i know the have deals with china for rice though plus them and beans are really prevalent on ration card
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Poronto
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no wonder it smells real bad in havana
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Poronto
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so much for cutting CO2 emissions when there's so much CH4
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Havana was cool, I was havana ball. I can't wait till we can all go there legally again. Havana Club Ron...... damn.
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SovietFriends posted:

It is less satisfying then smoking though because smoking is awesome.


the scientists of Nazi Germany were the first to talk about radon and polonium in cigarettes and also their fixation with the body and purity and ways to defend the aryan race from harmful alien substances like cigarettes. i cant allow my aryan lungs to be tainted by harmful Jew substances.

quit smoking NOW my white fascist friends