KilledInADuel posted:people work in sewage and corpse disposal because they like being surrounded by shit and dead bodies?
hi i will be sure to ask my uncle who has been supervising water and waste for a major city for 25 years to gather all three shift crews and take a poll and ask how many of the men who would rather be fucked in the ass and the mouth for 10 hours a day than repair that city's dumbass infrastructure. i know you really give a shit.
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Goethestein posted:some people are less repulsed by some things than others. reality
what a coincidence that all you whoremongers are too grossed out by being fucked in your own mouths and anuses even though it's Just Another Job.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/03/men-who-idealize-large-breasts-are-more-likely-hostile-toward-women/273931/
This is what I believe
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WDDP went nuts with excluding people for possible offense, to the point where everyone has to prove themselves innocent. Guilt being possibly offending a mentally ill person, getting on the wrong side of a poster with influence, not knowing someone on the site who can "vouch", posting here, failing to publicly humiliate and castrate themselves for a perceived mistake, masturbation with the use of hands, and not doing any of the above but being caught in forum politics or a breakdown of the admin who is also mentally ill. Understandable we've been very hesitant to censor and ban people from this forum after splitting from that kind of ideology, but maybe we went too far.
Anyway, I can see SariBari not posting in the future, the way Miss March, futurewidow, statickinetics, and now discipline stopped posting. All of whom are committed Marxists and added a lot to the forum. As a semi-mod with no powers besides an edit and ifap button elected in an ironic election, what can I do so that doesn't happen?
mongosteen posted:some people work with their backs, some with their hands, some with their brains. some work with their genitals. the notion that it is somehow more exploitative to have sex for a living rather than pick vegetables or wash cars is symptomatic of the anachronistic impulse to treat sex as though it was a thing of some special inherent value rather than just two mammals rubbing together until goo comes out
it really gos without saying but ill say it anyway: i disagree Vociferously with this argument goat. a woman working with her genitals is not akin to someone working with their hands or their brains. someones person being physically entered is a more intimate act than any of those things can be, and can come with emotional, psychological, and sexual repercussions. you make it sound mechanical, "two mammals rubbing together until goo comes out," when it shouldn't really need to be stated that sex intrisically carries more meaning than that for humans, and objectification is dehumanizing.
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babyhueypnewton posted:This is the first time I've really seen Goatsein be really vile and drive away women from this forum. SariBari is cool enough to actually put him down instead of simply leaving, which is what I assume most of the female posters/lurkers have done over the years.
WDDP went nuts with excluding people for possible offense, to the point where everyone has to prove themselves innocent. Guilt being possibly offending a mentally ill person, getting on the wrong side of a poster with influence, not knowing someone on the site who can "vouch", posting here, failing to publicly humiliate and castrate themselves for a perceived mistake, masturbation with the use of hands, and not doing any of the above but being caught in forum politics or a breakdown of the admin who is also mentally ill. Understandable we've been very hesitant to censor and ban people from this forum after splitting from that kind of ideology, but maybe we went too far.
Anyway, I can see SariBari not posting in the future, the way Miss March, futurewidow, statickinetics, and now discipline stopped posting. All of whom are committed Marxists and added a lot to the forum. As a semi-mod with no powers besides an edit and ifap button elected in an ironic election, what can I do so that doesn't happen?
cant you make people thread monitors who can probate shitty posters or some dumb shit like that
mongosteen posted:many unmarried men would jump at the chance to become a porn star despite the lower pay relative to their female counterparts
this is the cliche stereotype like oh of course men would do this at the drop of a hat but when the rubber meets the road idk if it's really true. like obviously some guys would but as many as we joke about? probably not
i once had a weird guy who co owned a small hotel and bar tell me he was setting up some porn shoots and ask if i was interested, one night after some beers in his bar. all i could do was go HAHAHA a little louder than normal and make some joke because uhhhhhh i don't think i want to do that ok. i still don't know what to think about that. what a weird goddamn scene that was
i gotta quit telling stories in the prostitution thread. maybe i'll drink more instead. healthy
Goethestein posted:
thirdplace posted:man i remember when i used to think like the goat, and tbh i still think the degrading nature of the bulk of the service industry comes off looking a lot better than it should in some of these conversations.. but then one day i sat down and thought about it and thought about all the women i've actually known and was like wait a second! beep-beep-boop-boop robot analysis of what sex is like is totally wrong! really deep and meaningful emotional differences between sex and other human behavior might be intangible but are practically omnipresent ! whoda thunk it!?
one of my best friends (not the webcammer) reads a ton of excellent feminist literature and has slowly gotten me to understand some of what it is to be a woman in modern society and i've genuinely had a few "holy shit, what the fuck" moments, basically to the point where i feel like i have no idea what it's like to be a woman, i can't know, my opinions on womanhood are basically totally invalid, growing up as and being a female are totally different experiences than being male, and it's just weird luck that i can even relate to any woman, and any time i am interacting with a woman there is a nearly infinite pile of extra baggage associated with me being male. even with my best female friend who is talking about feminism with me. i think it has been at least as earthshaking in my viewpoint on life and society as learning about anticapitalist discourses has been.
i can tell though that there is a danger in taking it too far and having this "the female experience is totally unknowable" thinking lead to sexist assumptions as well though. like taking it to goofy 1950s caricature lengths: "well how can i know?! women! they're a mystery! yuk yuk". in the end all i can do is talk more, ask more, make fewer assumptions, and when i notice myself being a horrible bastard male in my head, try to check myself. what i can't figure out is if i'm becoming more of a sexist asshole despite all of this, or i'm just noticing more.
littlegreenpills posted:
I’m not a pro-porn ideologue like goatstein but the problem here is that are somehow assuming that people are all being ‘duped’ by this process. There are plenty of people who have exhibitionist tendencies and don’t see this as some moral problem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:littlegreenpills posted:
I’m not a pro-porn ideologue like goatstein but the problem here is that are somehow assuming that people are all being ‘duped’ by this process. There are plenty of people who have exhibitionist tendencies and don’t see this as some moral problem.
at least goatstein is consistent, kill troops and embrace porn, because they are both choices of the individual and seeing them as some kind of agency-free symptom of a wrongheaded society is liberal bullshit. apparently.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:My gf likes some pretty full-on, exploitative and disgusting porn, how should I approach her about participating in this vile misogynistic patriarchal exploitation?
i think the party line is that you discuss the commodification of the individual and if she's still cool with passively enabling the dehumanization of women by consuming pornography then you should break up and have a better relationship with someone who won't stand for it
or, have lots of hot sex and watch porn together and repress your self-hatred together until it erupts in a self-destructive meltdown wherein one or both of you ends up depressed, suicidal, broken and/or dead?
either way is big fun, good luck out there
Ironicwarcriminal posted:My gf likes some pretty full-on, exploitative and disgusting porn, how should I approach her about participating in this vile misogynistic patriarchal exploitation?
you should not make shitty posts
drwhat posted:one of my best friends (not the webcammer) reads a ton of excellent feminist literature and has slowly gotten me to understand some of what it is to be a woman in modern society and i've genuinely had a few "holy shit, what the fuck" moments, basically to the point where i feel like i have no idea what it's like to be a woman, i can't know, my opinions on womanhood are basically totally invalid, growing up as and being a female are totally different experiences than being male, and it's just weird luck that i can even relate to any woman, and any time i am interacting with a woman there is a nearly infinite pile of extra baggage associated with me being male. even with my best female friend who is talking about feminism with me. i think it has been at least as earthshaking in my viewpoint on life and society as learning about anticapitalist discourses has been.
the thing that broke the dam for me was taking drugs and realizing via observation of my own behavior that a heavy girl walks around a world where everyone ignores the camera or silently judges her while a pretty girl lives in a flowery and sinister parallel dimension where every man wears conditional smiles. but i know exactly what you mean
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drwhat posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:My gf likes some pretty full-on, exploitative and disgusting porn, how should I approach her about participating in this vile misogynistic patriarchal exploitation?
i think the party line is that you discuss the commodification of the individual and if she's still cool with passively enabling the dehumanization of women by consuming pornography then you should break up and have a better relationship with someone who won't stand for it
or, have lots of hot sex and watch porn together and repress your self-hatred together until it erupts in a self-destructive meltdown wherein one or both of you ends up depressed, suicidal, broken and/or dead?
either way is big fun, good luck out there
this was fucking excellent.
it's rare but it does come up now and then. i knew a girl who did some films and hung out with dudes who liked to produce necroporn. she was super fucked up and thought she had a handle on it but would strike out at any woman who said it wasn't okay to be spit on and split wide open for the enjoyment of men. she would focus all of her shitty ass trauma on those women (like the men here who are fucked up by porn!) internalized oppression is a bitch and every woman must go through it in varying degrees but any female who truly enjoys watching the torture and abuse of other women is a lost cause, no different from all the lost men whose behavior she has chosen to ape.
SariBari posted:drwhat posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:My gf likes some pretty full-on, exploitative and disgusting porn, how should I approach her about participating in this vile misogynistic patriarchal exploitation?
i think the party line is that you discuss the commodification of the individual and if she's still cool with passively enabling the dehumanization of women by consuming pornography then you should break up and have a better relationship with someone who won't stand for it
or, have lots of hot sex and watch porn together and repress your self-hatred together until it erupts in a self-destructive meltdown wherein one or both of you ends up depressed, suicidal, broken and/or dead?
either way is big fun, good luck out therethis was fucking excellent.
it's rare but it does come up now and then. i knew a girl who did some films and hung out with dudes who liked to produce necroporn. she was super fucked up and thought she had a handle on it but would strike out at any woman who said it wasn't okay to be spit on and split wide open for the enjoyment of men. she would focus all of her shitty ass trauma on those women (like the men here who are fucked up by porn!) internalized oppression is a bitch and every woman must go through it in varying degrees but any female who truly enjoys watching the torture and abuse of other women is a lost cause, no different from all the lost men whose behavior she has chosen to ape.
damn
babyhueypnewton posted:This is the first time I've really seen Goatsein be really vile and drive away women from this forum. SariBari is cool enough to actually put him down instead of simply leaving, which is what I assume most of the female posters/lurkers have done over the years.
WDDP went nuts with excluding people for possible offense, to the point where everyone has to prove themselves innocent. Guilt being possibly offending a mentally ill person, getting on the wrong side of a poster with influence, not knowing someone on the site who can "vouch", posting here, failing to publicly humiliate and castrate themselves for a perceived mistake, masturbation with the use of hands, and not doing any of the above but being caught in forum politics or a breakdown of the admin who is also mentally ill. Understandable we've been very hesitant to censor and ban people from this forum after splitting from that kind of ideology, but maybe we went too far.
Anyway, I can see SariBari not posting in the future, the way Miss March, futurewidow, statickinetics, and now discipline stopped posting. All of whom are committed Marxists and added a lot to the forum. As a semi-mod with no powers besides an edit and ifap button elected in an ironic election, what can I do so that doesn't happen?
very nice, bhpn. in some ways, the despicable Keven is right. i personally knew what i was getting into with cretinstein bc i've been reading this place for years. i do think it's y'alls (and i guess mine if i choose to keep up the postin') responsibility to let any new woman/confused male feminist poster know exactly what's up with him if she enters a conversation. i also think it's good that you mention how most women have slinked off and not for lack of trying and not because they were senseless. the men here who are disturbed by some of the stuff he posted should ask themselves why misogynists feel like they have a community here, aside from troophate sympathies.
i know that for now the zzone is still a place where i can get a real deal teardown of some crappy dense book that my dem socialist friends might recommend. or a place for brilliant disgusting humor that isn't actually cruel (like the masao vids!). the day it doesn't have those things, i'll leave too. i like that you all don't ban like the forums did or like wddp apparently did. if you like this place, just try and counter dumbass shit with good content. a good number of you did that today. it was kewl!
Ironicwarcriminal posted:My gf likes some pretty full-on, exploitative and disgusting porn, how should I approach her about participating in this vile misogynistic patriarchal exploitation?
Remind her that the majority of those women are essentially slaves and are completely drugged out of their minds.
http://www.feministpress.org/books/feminist-porn-book
The Feminist Porn Book brings together for the first time writings by feminists in the adult industry and research by feminist porn scholars. This book investigates not only how feminists understand pornography, but also how feminists do porn—that is, direct, act in, produce, and consume one of the world's most lucrative and growing industries. With original contributions by Susie Bright, Candida Royalle, Betty Dodson, Nina Hartley, Buck Angel, and more, The Feminist Porn Book updates the debates of the porn wars of the 1980s, which sharply divided the women's movement, and identifies pornography as a form of expression and labor in which women and other minorities produce power and pleasure.
http://www.feministpress.org/books/feminist-porn-book
The Feminist Porn Book brings together for the first time writings by feminists in the adult industry and research by feminist porn scholars. This book investigates not only how feminists understand pornography, but also how feminists do porn—that is, direct, act in, produce, and consume one of the world's most lucrative and growing industries. With original contributions by Susie Bright, Candida Royalle, Betty Dodson, Nina Hartley, Buck Angel, and more, The Feminist Porn Book updates the debates of the porn wars of the 1980s, which sharply divided the women's movement, and identifies pornography as a form of expression and labor in which women and other minorities produce power and pleasure.
libfem, third wave debutantes will always need something to do while the rest of us burn.
