#481
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also their model is a relic but it comes from a specific place and any future model will be a construction from it which will need to be constantly altered as conditions show us how wrong our dreaming is of a new structure

its all about trying to remember we are not in the same conditions as the bolsheviks plus the working classes conception has altered radically and what we are doing now is not dealing with that

networks made up of configurations of organisations and individuals realizing what is important allowing flexibility as much as it does specific action plus serious room for systemic and most importantly non systemic critique for the aim of construction socialism re: movements, building education, not allowing arguments about things that are gone, allowing to learn lessons from everything that is gone

that magic pile basically
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also diplomacy is about remembering that although having integrity is essential that you can have integrity and not be an absolute twat who cant work with everyone and that is kind of how structure and agency work itself through in activity
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SovietFriends posted:

also diplomacy is about remembering that although having integrity is essential that you can have integrity and not be an absolute twat who cant work with everyone and that is kind of how structure and agency work itself through in activity



i think you meant to post this in the lurker thread

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if the level of critique in that thread is worthy of the term diplomacy then you have probably only been critiqued in an academic setting

comradely critique is personnel/cutting/political as fuck its just that your meant to get its happening in a context which shouldn't involve your ego
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soviet friends you keep misspelling personal it is really pushing som,e kind of OCD button in me.

otherwise carry on, good posting. as far as I can tell there is only one socialist group around me (Socialist Alternative) and i'll probly go to a meeting next week
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let loose your bourgeoisie sentiments of "spelling" and "grammar" and forge a proletarian language that will help punctuate our struggles with a greater meaning and depth then the world of full stops and capitol letters ever let us

+ i am dyslexic so its the best it is going to be really
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Zen_Punk posted:

soviet friends you keep misspelling personal it is really pushing som,e kind of OCD button in me.

otherwise carry on, good posting. as far as I can tell there is only one socialist group around me (Socialist Alternative) and i'll probly go to a meeting next week



i met some members of theirs that were visiting the US. they're basically the australian iso afaik

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im in(near, anyway) tacoma which is not in australia?? im pretty sure. i have not seen any kangaroos.
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when neko case sang "I hope they dont find you tacoma" she was referring to kangaroos.
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till this thread brought up top notch criticism of PSL and I assume by connection Workers World I would have said them but might be worth going to their meetings and just not joining them so you get to know people at the very very least.
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those dont have anything around here though. i think it's just SA. hmm. maybe ill join and start an LF faction??
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I'll make the website
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tpaine posted:

Workers of the world, untie! :p



i am going to have the etched on my grave

DeleuzerAndRetardi posted:

those dont have anything around here though. i think it's just SA. hmm. maybe ill join and start an LF faction??



http://occupytacoma.org/

work from here to find people

i am not sure if america has an equivalent of indymedia to get a really easy feel for a city (though that method has its limits ofc)

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SovietFriends posted:

till this thread brought up top notch criticism of PSL and I assume by connection Workers World I would have said them but might be worth going to their meetings and just not joining them so you get to know people at the very very least.



Workers World is identical to PSL except old people and lots of """"Theory"""""
which is why PSL is young and is Fuck Theory

if you're gonna just go to meetings to meet people I'd say PSL if it's there unless you want to listen to this guy for an hour:

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Lol that guy screamed at me for 6 minutes just to say that they recruited 7 people during the last year.
#497
Mike Nelson here.
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everyone should join the FRSO because quind is a member and he's the smartest lfer
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Kurdt
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is that freedom road (fight back) or freedom road (freedom road)
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Kurdt
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i need to update karl_polanyi.xlsx for headquarters
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Mike Nelson here.
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gyrofry posted:

is that freedom road (fight back) or freedom road (freedom road)

fight back / frso dot org.

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getfiscal posted:

gyrofry posted:

is that freedom road (fight back) or freedom road (freedom road)

fight back / frso dot org.



that's the dudes who got busted by the FBI for sending people to train / fight with FARC and the PFLP yeah? or was that the other one

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Mike Nelson here.
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prikryl posted:

that's the dudes who got busted by the FBI for sending people to train / fight with FARC and the PFLP yeah? or was that the other one

i assume that's them. the other section is reformist or something i guess.

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hi
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prikryl posted:

getfiscal posted:

gyrofry posted:

is that freedom road (fight back) or freedom road (freedom road)

fight back / frso dot org.

that's the dudes who got busted by the FBI for sending people to train / fight with FARC and the PFLP yeah? or was that the other one

yes. people affiliated w/ fight back / frso dot org are among the targets of federal grand juries and the FBI in a material support investigation.

http://www.stopfbi.net/profile/mick-kelly
http://www.stopfbi.net/profile/jess-sundin
https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/fbi-docs-anti-war/

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lol i took my mom to the vegetarian restaraunt below the apartment they raided

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Kurdt
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31) Do you have a “red” name?

32) What is it?

33) What’s the purpose of having a red name?

34) Do you have a “red” e-mail account?

35) What is it?

36) What’s the purpose of having a red e-mail account?

37) Have you ever heard of a group called the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, also known as the PFLP?
[...]
56) Do you support, either financially or otherwise, groups that have been designated as terrorist organizations in the United States?

57) Have you ever taken steps to overthrow the United States government?

mods please add these to the rhizzone registration form

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lol frso (fb) are the ones who urged people in swing states to vote for obama

http://www.fightbacknews.org/2012/8/12/2012-presidential-election-midst-economic-hard-times-hope-people-s-struggles-change-street
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Mike Nelson here.
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i would have voted for obama in swing states so good on them.

~biden 2016~
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Kurdt
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a shameful québéçois
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hi
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yes

this thread is now for me to be snippy at people who are not active though
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Mike Nelson here.
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SovietFriends posted:

yes

this thread is now for me to be snippy at people who are not active though

what do you wear when you cosplay revolution. like do you have any fatigues or something.

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#515
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I am active in the national Bolshevik faction of the Hard brotherhood of the US branch of the rhizzone party
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thinking of you, my soviet friend.

"Personally, I have always been treated as very odd for trying to sell a paper to workmates, it has become a bizarre thing to do! " Hence, we must work as nationalists.

http://internationalsocialismuk.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-social-project-strategy.html
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trying to manage the split in the uk is a right pain right now especially with the welfare cuts just about actually kicking in

the position they are trying to put forward is really useful and shows promise but threatens to fall in on itself into an badly organised set of ambition

also problems broaching sectarianism like "left unity" so far isnt really but that needs to be fixed in near term to open things up a bit because so far it is litreally just the members of the swp who dont like rape but they also didnt actually take any of the party infastructure or any of its organisers cos of the odd relationship between party organisers and theoretical development meaning they cant really leave as such and be happy in themselves

it is really odd they had to learn that point from the BNP as well rather then just the black panthers though it is nice they are doing anything at all to confront the problems of the modern left

it should hopefully be useful for bedroom tax though, we are going to try and set it up parallel to swp broader based campaign so their are more local structures being constructed as well

the problems in that are going to be making sure it doesn't become a sectarian split in organizing + its complimentary cos otherwise we are playing puppets with working class people rather than just trying to change within the midst of a struggle
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although counter hegemony is wank as well shifting into social lark with a political element rather then organization construction with a political element really would be way more preferable

or shock horror both at once but that would involve half of the left not being in it for a snobby hobby
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