#641

SariBari posted:

mongosteen posted:

SariBari posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

troll shit

our culture is sooooo sex negative and that's why women are used to sell everything and are literally for sale. objectification-shaming ahahahaha. yeah i mean why would an oppressed sex class demand more than being floating anuses, vaginas, and breasts accessible to anyone?

women aren't for sale. you can rent their labor for a bit though

come to houston and i'll show you the vietnamese and thai women who live behind locked doors, robber bars, and have to sleep in their massage rooms. they've been sold. they're working off debts, you entitled moron.




wow you should go to the authorities if you know about this and where these women are.

#642

mongosteen posted:

some people work with their backs, some with their hands, some with their brains. some work with their genitals. the notion that it is somehow more exploitative to have sex for a living rather than pick vegetables or wash cars is symptomatic of the anachronistic impulse to treat sex as though it was a thing of some special inherent value rather than just two mammals rubbing together until goo comes out



...and some people write posts with their butts lol

#643

NoFreeWill posted:

woman can be purchased as sex slaves pretty much anywhere. umm, check your local craigslist?



no way, all sex workers clock in and clock out bro. read some melissa gira grant and get a cluuuuuue!

#644
#645

mongosteen posted:

SariBari posted:

mongosteen posted:

SariBari posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

troll shit

our culture is sooooo sex negative and that's why women are used to sell everything and are literally for sale. objectification-shaming ahahahaha. yeah i mean why would an oppressed sex class demand more than being floating anuses, vaginas, and breasts accessible to anyone?

women aren't for sale. you can rent their labor for a bit though

come to houston and i'll show you the vietnamese and thai women who live behind locked doors, robber bars, and have to sleep in their massage rooms. they've been sold. they're working off debts, you entitled moron.

wow you should go to the authorities if you know about this and where these women are.



i do, i and others try to get inside, write about them and they are investigated by harris county sherriff's department, you hateful swinging dick.

#646
why not become a gay pornstar if you feel sex work is so much more liberating than conventional labor? you'd make thousands of dollars for a few hours of work a month simply sucking on a dick or two. seems like it would be right up your alley in lieu of your comments??
#647

SariBari posted:

mongosteen posted:

look at how oppressed i, a white heterosexual first worlder from a middle class background am, because strangers are more interested in fucking me than they are in hearing my opinions on film theory. well, not me personally, i'm a grotesque internet ideologue, but rather the class i have chosen with which to associate because it allows for pious indignation in the way that white supremacy does not

you know nothing about me or my lived experience but you hate that a woman would ever question your whoremongering. you hate all women, regardless of class or location. women's vaginas are gooholes to you. you're not worthy of much but there is a lefty press willing to host your base, hateful opinions instead of the opinions of many women who actually live and have exited the world you romanticize. there is no victim in your world, there are only white saviors because women and children aren't systematically abused by men, it's just their designated station. shut up and take my goo!



u mad

#648

AmericanNazbro posted:

why not become a gay pornstar if you feel sex work is so much more liberating than conventional labor? you'd make thousands of dollars for a few hours of work a month simply sucking on a dick or two. seems like it would be right up your alley in lieu of your comments??



exactly. if goohole exhanges are just like carwashing and dishwashing then why hasn't one pro-prostitution dude here answered my earlier questions about how much dick he'd suck and how much dick he'd take to buy a home, rent their apartment, buy grocieries, go on vacation instead of their completely equal drone labor they do now?

#649

AmericanNazbro posted:

why not become a gay pornstar if you feel sex work is so much more liberating than conventional labor? you'd make thousands of dollars for a few hours of work a month simply sucking on a dick or two. seems like it would be right up your alley in lieu of your comments??



homosexuality is sinful

#650

SariBari posted:

mongosteen posted:

SariBari posted:

mongosteen posted:

SariBari posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

troll shit

our culture is sooooo sex negative and that's why women are used to sell everything and are literally for sale. objectification-shaming ahahahaha. yeah i mean why would an oppressed sex class demand more than being floating anuses, vaginas, and breasts accessible to anyone?

women aren't for sale. you can rent their labor for a bit though

come to houston and i'll show you the vietnamese and thai women who live behind locked doors, robber bars, and have to sleep in their massage rooms. they've been sold. they're working off debts, you entitled moron.

wow you should go to the authorities if you know about this and where these women are.

i do, i and others try to get inside, write about them and they are investigated by harris county sherriff's department, you hateful swinging dick.



thats unfortunate but isnt it better described as an immigration problem than a women's problem? just considering the percentages involved

#651

mongosteen posted:

u mad



you're right. i hate all sexists, they're enraging. do you feel powerful that you have annoyed a woman on the internet or do you only feel that way when you pay for a woman's goohole in person or by proxy?

#652

thats unfortunate but isnt it better described as an immigration problem than a women's problem? just considering the percentages involved



sexual slavery is "unfortunate", says the porn-addicted sociopath.

#653
many unmarried men would jump at the chance to become a porn star despite the lower pay relative to their female counterparts
#654
lol why are you arguing with goatstein????
#655

DeleuzerAndRetardi posted:

lol why are you arguing with goatstein????



because it's bad for dudes to see misogyny go unchecked. studies and shit bro! glad that you like your woman-hating white noise though. i mean yeah, why recognize it in any way. this place is just crawling with women.

#656

SariBari posted:

thats unfortunate but isnt it better described as an immigration problem than a women's problem? just considering the percentages involved

sexual slavery is "unfortunate", says the porn-addicted sociopath.



this world is fallen, getting indignant about horror x or y is provincial and missing the point

#657

SariBari posted:

AmericanNazbro posted:

why not become a gay pornstar if you feel sex work is so much more liberating than conventional labor? you'd make thousands of dollars for a few hours of work a month simply sucking on a dick or two. seems like it would be right up your alley in lieu of your comments??

exactly. if goohole exhanges are just like carwashing and dishwashing then why hasn't one pro-prostitution dude here answered my earlier questions about how much dick he'd suck and how much dick he'd take to buy a home, rent their apartment, buy grocieries, go on vacation instead of their completely equal drone labor they do now?

im not suire if that's an effective question to ask. it's pretty easy for some guy to say "yeah id totally suck a hypothetical dick for a few hundred bucks," and then go on not sucking dicks but using that as backing to continue their porn consumption guilt-free.

#658
meanwhile if that guy were sucking a real dick and not a hypothetical one then he'd have to either have his image floating around in dick sucking videos or he'd have to suck the dick of weird, creepy, and possibly frightening strangers
#659

ilmdge posted:

SariBari posted:

AmericanNazbro posted:

why not become a gay pornstar if you feel sex work is so much more liberating than conventional labor? you'd make thousands of dollars for a few hours of work a month simply sucking on a dick or two. seems like it would be right up your alley in lieu of your comments??

exactly. if goohole exhanges are just like carwashing and dishwashing then why hasn't one pro-prostitution dude here answered my earlier questions about how much dick he'd suck and how much dick he'd take to buy a home, rent their apartment, buy grocieries, go on vacation instead of their completely equal drone labor they do now?

im not suire if that's an effective question to ask. it's pretty easy for some guy to say "yeah id totally suck a hypothetical dick for a few hundred bucks," and then go on not sucking dicks but using that as backing to continue their porn consumption guilt-free.



i think it's the perfect question because it illustrates the hypocritical, cowardly nature of these porn addicts and how dependent they are on the exploitation of women-only. the fact that they're truly unwilling to do it is exactly the point.

#660
a post so nice, i made it twice.
#661

SariBari posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

troll shit

our culture is sooooo sex negative and that's why women are used to sell everything and are literally for sale. objectification-shaming ahahahaha. yeah i mean why would an oppressed sex class demand more than being floating anuses, vaginas, and breasts accessible to anyone?



i think this is a symptom of sex-negativity in that the actual content, value and mutual pleasure of an experience, sex between partners who know and enjoy what they're doing and understand what they want as opposed to what they're supposed to want, is totally devalued in the place of fetishized spectacle. that's where your third-wave "sex positivity" falls down imo, in that being open and celebratory about the crazy sex you're having, being transgressive for its own sake just plays into prescriptions of fake masculinized fantasy. like if you really want to be sex-positive you need to be equally open and celebratory about your sex being crap and conservative as well, about the fact you get bored after a while and want to read or check Facebook, or just about the fact you want to keep it private and it isn't for public consumption, it's just one aspect of your life and it's often a really unimportant one. But between straight-misogynist culture and auto-misogynist lib-feminism the unavoidable message is the sex you have has to define your whole fucking life and I'm having difficulty in seeing how to pull out of it

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#663
would you?
#664

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#665

littlegreenpills posted:

SariBari posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

troll shit

our culture is sooooo sex negative and that's why women are used to sell everything and are literally for sale. objectification-shaming ahahahaha. yeah i mean why would an oppressed sex class demand more than being floating anuses, vaginas, and breasts accessible to anyone?

i think this is a symptom of sex-negativity in that the actual content, value and mutual pleasure of an experience, sex between partners who know and enjoy what they're doing and understand what they want as opposed to what they're supposed to want, is totally devalued in the place of fetishized spectacle. that's where your third-wave "sex positivity" falls down imo, in that being open and celebratory about the crazy sex you're having, being transgressive for its own sake just plays into prescriptions of fake masculinized fantasy. like if you really want to be sex-positive you need to be equally open and celebratory about your sex being crap and conservative as well, about the fact you get bored after a while and want to read or check Facebook, or just about the fact you want to keep it private and it isn't for public consumption, it's just one aspect of your life and it's often a really unimportant one. But between straight-misogynist culture and auto-misogynist lib-feminism the unavoidable message is the sex you have has to define your whole fucking life and I'm having difficulty in seeing how to pull out of it



i see what you're saying here and i fucking hate the third wave for this but it's important to recognize that the sex positivism you speak of emerged from a need to imitate male behaviors about and around sex and that for women to feel equal they felt they needed to consume and have as much access to sex as men are entitled to in this world. it has accomplished nothing for us as a sex class, imo. i'm 100% with you on waiting for the day that sex is kinda blah but the reality is that it's still used by half of the population to exert physical and financial power over the other and for the time being that will remain my issue of emergency. everyone who has the blessing of being able to contemplate their sex lives outside of that context could and should do so.

#666
but the real demand is in gay porn. why wouldn't you do gay porn? don't say "because i'm not gay", there's a ton of men in gay porn who identify as straight and don't fuck men off of the set
#667

Goethestein posted:

if i were single and younger and the price was right i'd have no problem doing some heterosexual porn



coward bullshit. there are dudes with grey pubes fucking barely legal women in plenty of films.

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#670
are you suggesting as a male it's a) easier and b) more lucrative to get a straight porn gig fucking ladies.
#671

Goethestein posted:

SariBari posted:

Goethestein posted:

if i were single and younger and the price was right i'd have no problem doing some heterosexual porn

coward bullshit. there are dudes with grey pubes fucking barely legal women in plenty of films.

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.



yeah i guess you really are just afraid to show your old man dick on film. also, people posted a billion screenshots of men all over the world searching for gay porn recently so keep living in your cum-encrusted fantasy prison.

#672
is shaming men for watching porn productive, though? unless you are willing to demonize 99% of the people you are trying to convert to have better attitudes towards women. Although probably getting even 1 to 2% of men to quit watching is the start of productive life change and then cultural change. i have quit for months at a time, but only when i had a girlfriend. i mean some of the shaming efforts have probably influenced my attitude towards it, but more commonly the argument that it presents a distorted view of sex and ruins your capability to experience intimacy etc. seems to work.
#673
it's not demonization it's education. although demonizing goatstein is fine because he is a demon w. horns and cloven feet
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#676

NoFreeWill posted:

is shaming men for watching porn productive, though? unless you are willing to demonize 99% of the people you are trying to convert to have better attitudes towards women. Although probably getting even 1 to 2% of men to quit watching is the start of productive life change and then cultural change. i have quit for months at a time, but only when i had a girlfriend. i mean some of the shaming efforts have probably influenced my attitude towards it, but more commonly the argument that it presents a distorted view of sex and ruins your capability to experience intimacy etc. seems to work.



i am not trying to convert men, i am trying to activate women who already have serious feelings of discomfort about the way their bodies are commodified. online it's fun not to let the resident misogynists go unabted but in the real world, i could care less if men find their morality in time because ending patriarchy will require us taking power away from men, not being dependent on them parting with it. but i will say that i sincerely appreciate the men who change their minds and habits and speak out when they see men abusing women and men in any way. they can join me or not but i tend to focus 90% of my efforts on women irl.

#677
people work in sewage and corpse disposal because they like being surrounded by shit and dead bodies?
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#679
obviously because they're naturally endowed with less disgust and revulsion at it than normal regular human beings like groinstench. obviously.
#680
also jesus. what if everybody in the whole world told you you ought to fuck men, it was normal and empowering and hot to fuck men, if your own wife was disappointed in you for not fucking men because a barrage of spectacle had slyly convinced her that she finds it sexy to watch men fucking and she deserves a man who fucks other men. would you be tough enough to stand up to it