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tpaine posted:

i don't mean to be so pessimistic all the time, but the thought of wasting my life trying to proselytize to anyone i've ever come into contact with just fills me with a weird kind of giddy feeling, like my head is being tossed around by lazy ocean waves



well, yeah, that's because you live in florida

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*lights a cigarette while marginally listening to whats going on*
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*Brad Mcskateboard skateboards by outside does a sick grind*
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prikryl posted:

All the criticisms against me about history and inactivity were all given by our presidential candidate who is also in that branch.



i met her once when she was campaigning at san francisco state for the election. she was standing in the middle of the quad by herself all day handing out pamphlets.

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she's friends with a lot of revolutionaries i think she must be Really Good.





thats right, aerdil is only 2 degrees of separation away from hugo chavez and fidel castro
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Crow posted:

Welp, I guess it really is time to start the Rhizzone party



any zoners in Tacoma area? I can contribute one(1) starbuck's gift card to the cause

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aerdil posted:

prikryl posted:

All the criticisms against me about history and inactivity were all given by our presidential candidate who is also in that branch.

i met her once when she was campaigning at san francisco state for the election. she was standing in the middle of the quad by herself all day handing out pamphlets.



that sounds about right

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guys thats not even a real fidel castro cia body double. peta is a fraud
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lol it does look kind of fake, but they're all in b&w not just fidel
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ilmdge posted:

lol it does look kind of fake, but they're all in b&w not just fidel

lol

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tpaine posted:

can someone explain the fidel and that lady pic to me. i don't understand



the PSL has a "Noche Cubana" party every year that has cuban food, music, solidarity stuff, dancing etc.

last year they got a cardboard cutout of fidel for people to take photos with

the end

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oh wait, that is a cardboard cutout isnt it. loool fuck
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was the cardboard cutout black and white also? did someone edit that photo to make the ladies black and white to make fidel look real or what. why would they be black and white? the flag is actually in color. weird
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I think I'm in love with the lady on the right but I'm not sure if she's real or cardboard now
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Fidel Castro is real
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ilmdge posted:

someone edited that photo to make the ladies black and white to make fidel look real the flag is actually in color. weird

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Crow posted:

lol at all this danged shit

http://www.phillyimc.org/en/dealing-psl-and-answer-2

also, i think that marcial guy commented on this second article



definitely him, holmes.

when taking time away from the occasional indymedia manifesto, how many other people here are doing "paid volunteering" as security for an org? you are in cults too if so.

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you better not be in love ilmdge, Christos in love and now you?
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mike ely's Dear Bob, letters are pretty good too

http://kasamaproject.org/kasama/4345-9-letters-to-our-comrades
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Avakian is properly off the wall ain't he?

SariBari posted:

when taking time away from the occasional indymedia manifesto, how many other people here are doing "paid volunteering" as security for an org? you are in cults too if so.



I hope your not implying all organisations are culty because outside of LaRouch (if he even counts as left which he likely doesn't), Spartacists and the Avakian lot that really is not true.

The oddness of ABC party loyalty is something odd in itself and to make it be culty kind of undermines what it actually is.

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'cult' is a pejorative for 'effective organizational model'
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i wish the left could have that status but i am not sure we have been effective for a while
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the reason why people think of leftist organizations as cults is because normal people tend not to gravitate towards them. this is because leftism is the simplistic idea that "people should share" extrapolated into entire fantasy systems that make it some sort of angry imperative. accordingly these people rationalize all sorts of things in order to meet organizational goals, which they see as one and the same as fidelity to their warped morality. so when an average person is confronted by a leftist they don't really understand why it's so important that they buy the latest book about why socialism never really failed or whatever. this is also why the vast majority of people will always reject solid radical left platforms in most situations, explaining why almost all socialist countries have been dictatorships against the people. this is all plainly obvious, as well, which is why most people don't like talking about it.
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wrong

its easy to get people interested in socialism if your not an anti social broken toy

and you shouldnt be pushing books from the get go and maybe that is what is wrong with the left and why all online leftists mock papers when all trying to swap super advanced theories and thinking that is what the movement actually is concerned with

that point can change among leftists who are obsessed with flag flying though as that can create a real elitist atmosphere and organisations built around that they although about as cultish as a badminton club can certainly turn it into a language game which puts people off

but really:
the movement
the way theory works in reality
the conditions your working with

that is literally all that matters and not having that at the core of whatever periphery you decide to dedicate yourself to in an attempt to be a marxist then before you know it you will be completely unable to talk to normal people and only be fit for the odd border world between the ABC organisations and independent ego drive useless lumps of red thought who have no ability to explain it to anyone except through snobby gritted teeth

like honestly i dont get this entire anti human thing it only seems to actually exist among people so disconnected they replace all thoughts on the contradiction between ideology re: the everyday conversations you have with people with an all encompassing almost existential pessimism which likes for some reason to pretend its the one truth of reality

you could just be joking though in which case the religious thing is way better its genuinely a bit insightful especially re: challenging alot of "online radicals" roots in the entire atheism oddness of the noughties
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SovietFriends posted:

its easy to get people interested in socialism if your not an anti social broken toy

people politely listen to crazy people all the time, yes, of course.

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dont be petty
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most people live fine lives without needing leftism. when given the chance, the vast majority of these people will never vote for a radical left party. this has convinced most radical leftists that liberal-democracy itself must be destroyed in one way or another, which they cover under euphemisms like "socialist democracy" and the like. fortunately there will always be people willing to fight this form of socialism if it manages to grip the throat of a country for a short period.

mod note: this is a good thread, don't shit it up you poor, broken man

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getfiscal posted:

most people live fine lives without needing leftism. when given the chance, the vast majority of these people will never vote for a radical left party. this has convinced most radical leftists that liberal-democracy itself must be destroyed in one way or another, which they cover under euphemisms like "socialist democracy" and the like. fortunately there will always be people willing to fight this form of socialism if it manages to grip the throat of a country for a short period.



obviously?

this is just outlining the hows and whys of ideology and democracy fits into constructing socialist positions

if your just going to write tattle at least try to get a point that cuts to the core of contradictions in revolutionary socialism

discipline posted:

I had a cool conversation with my german friends about this stuff last night, they are from the GDR and are scared of communism. also my german friends always bring up soviet rape it's weird



usually speaking to people from the ex socialist bloc just gets me more confused about how to judge the history of the place

i have never heard anything actually consistent from people and although their seems to be a vague class split on views its all so varied

i guess that is all part of understanding it was actually an existing political economy more then a utopia though which is step one to actually thinking about the place properly

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getfiscal posted:

this is because leftism is the simplistic idea that "people should share" extrapolated into entire fantasy systems that make it some sort of angry imperative.