#41
the generally futile dream of working a "fulfilling job" is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled (on white middle-class children with a facility for overeducation)
#42
you seriously need some life perspective if you think in america the difference between two incomes and one is the difference between servants/no servants
#43
public daycare and longer school days with meal programs would be more efficient at providing the services of a homemaker and would free up labor squandered in homemaking for productive lines of work

older kids can throw rocks at police cars if they're bored after school and have nowhere to go
#44
like i agree with the OP so there are plenty of paths to fulfilling work but unless you're well-connected or real fucking lucky the idea that you can get paid for it in Actually Existing Capitalism is fuckin propoganda
#45
My dad was a homemaker too and I never really noticed any stigma related to it, although he was regarded as somewhat of a curiosity by my friends. He cooked dinner everyday for 20 years and still sucks compared to mom lol
#46
my mom worked and made food for two kids. good mom
#47

Goethestein posted:

discipline posted:

how's that goatstein

supporting two people (plus crotchspawn) on a combined income of $80,000 a year, or $60,000, or $40,000, is substantially easier than doing so on 40, 30 or 20.



If you've got three or four kids idk if it's that clear cut. Daycare is going to be at least 10,000 a kid. That was one of the reasons my family moved to single earner. I guess you could skip daycare if you can finagle your schedules right or trust your oldest kid once they reach their tweens. As a kid though I always smoked weed at the houses of my friends with working parents so yeah Idk how good an idea that is.

Of course Im bougie as hell but I suspect even poor people don't like leaving babies around unattended

#48
momchat.
#49
maybe you should blast four kids out of your gay womb if money is an issue??
#50
In my family it wasn't.
#51
yeah fulfilling work is kinda impossible to find unless you start your own company or are really into computer programming, but i do think there's a gradient of shitty, nofun jobs that steal your soul (regardless of income) to jobs that are tolerable.
#52
i guess a lot of tolerable jobs don't pay very well due to the fact that they are tolerable, but theres tons of shitty jobs that are just, well, shitty
#53
21:20 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=478_1355778166&comments=1
#54
i have a fulfilling job its p good but actually im looking for a new and even MORE fulfilling job. laugh it up marxailures and capitalosers, classics win again.
#55

Squalid posted:

Goethestein posted:

discipline posted:

how's that goatstein

supporting two people (plus crotchspawn) on a combined income of $80,000 a year, or $60,000, or $40,000, is substantially easier than doing so on 40, 30 or 20.

If you've got three or four kids idk if it's that clear cut. Daycare is going to be at least 10,000 a kid. That was one of the reasons my family moved to single earner. I guess you could skip daycare if you can finagle your schedules right or trust your oldest kid once they reach their tweens. As a kid though I always smoked weed at the houses of my friends with working parents so yeah Idk how good an idea that is.

Of course Im bougie as hell but I suspect even poor people don't like leaving babies around unattended

That's what grandparents (retired people) are for.

#56
child cares really expensive and is pretty much the entire reason the discussion is now about how much earnings you lose if you stop working for several years instead of how tuff it is for white women with sociology degrees to be house wifes.
#57
child care isn't expensive in quebec. owned.
#58
Agreed. I'm owned because you have to subsidize child care despite being forever alone. Get thee to a nunnery.
#59

Keven posted:

Agreed. I'm owned because you have to subsidize child care despite being forever alone. Get thee to a nunnery.

actually i'm going to marry a beautiful woman. it's gonna be cool.

#60

The most productive part of an economy and probably the
most important, especially in developing countries — is the informal
exchanges in which no money changes hands. Generally speaking, for
example, parents care for children much better than daycare does. Yet
the GDP treats these functions as having no value whatsoever. It does,
however, count the police, prisons, social workers, and so on that result
from the breakdown of the nonmonetized social realm.
In this fashion, much of what economists call growth and the GDP
records as growth is really just the shifting of functions from the
nonmarket economy of household and community, where economists
can't see them, to the market, where they can. The garden plot
becomes the supermarket, home sewing of clothes becomes the sweatshop;
parenting becomes childcare; visits on the side porch become the
entertainment economy and psychiatry. Up and down the line, the
things people used to do freely for and with one another turn into
products and services. The market grows by cannibalizing the family
and community realms that nurture and sustain it.

#61
wow yeah it'd be cool if economists ever thought about those sorts of issues. too bad the whole profession will have to shut down after being defeated by a folksy reduction to absurdity which completely misrepresents the issues.
#62

ilmdge posted:

In this fashion, much of what economists call growth and the GDP records as growth is really just the shifting of functions from the
nonmarket economy of household and community, where economists
can't see them, to the market, where they can. The garden plot
becomes the supermarket, home sewing of clothes becomes the sweatshop;
parenting becomes childcare; visits on the side porch become the
entertainment economy and psychiatry. Up and down the line, the
things people used to do freely for and with one another turn into
products and services. The market grows by cannibalizing the family
and community realms that nurture and sustain it.


good

#63
not being flippant, but how are people supposed to recognize their common interests in the workplace and act in ways to collectively press their demands when they're stuck at home, lorded over by the private tyranny of the head of the household and/or a religious authority figure? i don't see decentralized work as a positive at all
#64
why do leftists continually assert that mental illness is the result of a lack of community instead of brain malfunctions
#65
you know who had a lot of rustic community togetherness? the hutu
#66

Goethestein posted:

why do leftists continually assert that mental illness is the result of a lack of community instead of brain malfunctions


"community" is a meaningless buzzword in most cases

#67

getfiscal posted:

wow yeah it'd be cool if economists ever thought about those sorts of issues. too bad the whole profession will have to shut down after being defeated by a folksy reduction to absurdity which completely misrepresents the issues.


The post you are replying to does not attempt to discredit all of economics. It attempts to put the GDP in its proper place: a metric of monetary transactions, which is not a complete metric of productivity.

#68

animedad posted:

Goethestein posted:

why do leftists continually assert that mental illness is the result of a lack of community instead of brain malfunctions

"community" is a meaningless buzzword in most cases



so is mental illness

#69
a notion that a person is mentally ill when they deviate from the norm in a perverted and schizophrenic society. to be sane is to be a sociopath that commodifies people, and champions war and subjugation with religious zealotry.
#70
mental illness, schizophrenia...
#71

AmericanNazbro posted:

a notion that a person is mentally ill when they deviate from the norm in a perverted and schizophrenic society. to be sane is to be a sociopath that commodifies people, and champions war and subjugation with religious zealotry.



thats weird cuz here i thought it meant not sleeping in garbage and arguing with ghosts

#72
GOATSTIEN MD

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CREATED BY PRON HOWARD
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#76

Squalid posted:

Of course Im bougie as hell but I suspect even poor people don't like leaving babies around unattended



you definitely don't know any poor people

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#79

discipline posted:

I told my mother I wanted her to come live with me once I started a family



ya i told ur mom that too lol

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