Ironicwarcriminal posted:Characters, their interactions with each other, and how they grow or change are the only thing that matter.
yeah totally thats why invisible cities was so good
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Characters, their interactions with each other, and how they grow or change are the only thing that matter.
yeah totally thats why invisible cities was so good
yes, because of the core relationship between polo and khan, without which it would have been about as "classic" as reading resort reviews on expedia
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deadken posted:burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
deadken posted:im listening to the new(ish) swans album. its p cool imo, i like the bit at the end of the title track where it abruptly stars sounding like can if they took loads of valium
the seer is rly bad, the lyrics are waht happens when goths get old but dont grow up and what Swans fans think metal lyrics are like . gira is the second worst human being ever after Mike Patton and now he is doing post-rock which is like the second worst genre ever after shoegaze. stop being critically acclaimed 
piss-poor crescendocore mixed with classic dad rawk moves and faux-tortured histrionic bullshit by a guy who sounds like he needs a good fuck. like every goddamn Swans album ever
& burial is really good and consistent. ppl like to pretend to be snobbish for hyperdub but thats a position about as dated as dismissing non-idiomatic/non-song music as unapproachable like iwc doews
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prohairesis posted:dismissing non-idiomatic/non-song music as unapproachable like iwc doews
idiomatic? you mean idiotic?
prohairesis posted:deadken posted:
& burial is really good and consistent. ppl like to pretend to be snobbish for hyperdub but thats a position about as dated as dismissing non-idiomatic/non-song music as unapproachable like iwc doews
I didn’t dismiss it, I don’t like peas either but it’s still valid food. Neither is it "unapproachable", i get it, it's not like it takes some fearsome intelligence to listen to minimalist electronica lol
I just can’t get into it
deadken posted:burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
saem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
you're not suppose to
jeffery posted:deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
saem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
you're not suppose to
what's this mean
prohairesis posted:deadken posted:im listening to the new(ish) swans album. its p cool imo, i like the bit at the end of the title track where it abruptly stars sounding like can if they took loads of valium
the seer is rly bad, the lyrics are waht happens when goths get old but dont grow up and what Swans fans think metal lyrics are like . gira is the second worst human being ever after Mike Patton and now he is doing post-rock which is like the second worst genre ever after shoegaze. stop being critically acclaimed
piss-poor crescendocore mixed with classic dad rawk moves and faux-tortured histrionic bullshit by a guy who sounds like he needs a good fuck. like every goddamn Swans album ever
yeah but have you considered this: actually its kinda good
i dont know what metal lyrics are like because i dont listen to metal but if theyre like in the seer i guess its kinda unobtrusive yelping, content irrelevant? sounds Ok
Ironicwarcriminal posted:Characters, their interactions with each other, and how they grow or change are the only thing that matter.
If people want interesting settings they’ll read an atlas.
wouldn't expect you of all people to promote top-down aesthetics the face of the clear choice of the yolk
Ironicwarcriminal posted:jeffery posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
saem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
you're not suppose to
what's this mean
besides being very talented and innovative musically, burial captures the dead-undead millennial dread™ unlike anyone else with similar popularity. burial's music is communal in that it is a direct reflection of this dead-undead millennial dread™. in other words its a communal experience of late capitalist alienation.
thirdplace posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Characters, their interactions with each other, and how they grow or change are the only thing that matter.
If people want interesting settings they’ll read an atlas.
wouldn't expect you of all people to promote top-down aesthetics the face of the clear choice of the yolk
What?! Where’s the “top-down aesthetics”? The focus people in stories arises straight from folk stories the world over
jeffery posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
jeffery posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
saem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
you're not suppose to
what's this mean
besides being very talented and innovative musically, burial captures the dead-undead millennial dread™ unlike anyone else with similar popularity.
You mean except say, Green Day did it on a massively larger scale already? doesn’t mean I’m gonna listen to American Idiot.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:jeffery posted:
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
jeffery posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
saem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
you're not suppose to
what's this mean
besides being very talented and innovative musically, burial captures the dead-undead millennial dread™ unlike anyone else with similar popularity.
You mean except say, Green Day did it on a massively larger scale already? doesn’t mean I’m gonna listen to American Idiot.
jeffery posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
jeffery posted:
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
jeffery posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
saem.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
deadken posted:
burial is good imo. its electronic music which tends to be, uh, a little repetitive, but i rly like his use of static and vocal samples... the best thing about burial tho is reading the awful pretentious nonsense online music journos come out with every time he releases an ep
I want to like it and it does achieve a “sense of urban alienation” etc etc (and whoever put this video on this track is kewl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXuou-6dvg all video clips should be the front of trains) but it’s still just a soundscape and not a ‘song’, I can’t get into it
you're not suppose to
what's this mean
besides being very talented and innovative musically, burial captures the dead-undead millennial dread™ unlike anyone else with similar popularity.
You mean except say, Green Day did it on a massively larger scale already? doesn’t mean I’m gonna listen to American Idiot.
That’s cool and all but it seems like a fair point.
Music is one of those things where popularity really does reflect the value of art. The more people in the world who like a song, the more good-feelings and enjoyment is being created and experienced.
It strikes me as a lot easier to sit and fiddle with knobs and make arcane glitches and whirs than it is to write something like ‘Complicated’ or “Higher” which can be instantly related to by huge swathes of the population. It truly is mass art and I think that Marxists of all people should respect that.
deadken posted:im going to africa this year and will set a story there. it will feature a fearless white adventuring aid worker and his new loyal black friend who constantly assures him that he's 'one of the good ones'
Tell your hipster associates you’re going there for “organic coltan, not the processed crap you have in your smartphones”
Ironicwarcriminal posted:Music is one of those things where popularity really does reflect the value of art.
lmao.
i agree with the rest of your overall point but you're neglecting the highly restrictive and controlled capitalist commodity production system in ur analysis
jeffery posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Music is one of those things where popularity really does reflect the value of art.
lmao.
i agree with the rest of your overall point but you're neglecting the highly restrictive and controlled capitalist commodity production system in ur analysis
As opposed to what? What system of producing and distributing art is more meritorious?
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:who the fuck is j.d. ballard
he's the guy who gets your money right now by selling your structured settlement or annuity for cash