Consider these facts about China:
- Almost all of the financial sector is state-owned and is integrated into loose national plans for investment.
- The state still has a controlling interest, through state-owned enterprises, in industries like resources and transportation.
- Marxism is an obligatory course in university programs.
- Most workers in China are members of a union.
- The Communist Party has 80 million members from all leading sections of society.
- China's life expectancy is 10 years longer than India's due to strong health care programs.
- China has invested large amounts in public transit.
- All land in China is owned by the people rather than landlords.
- China is considered less corrupt than India according to Transparency International.
- Chinese media is largely public and controlled by the socialist movement.
- China tries to curtail dumb political comments and pornography on the Internet.
- Chinese foreign investment tends to focus on mutually beneficial resource agreements.
- Chinese foreign policy tends to be critical of 'humanitarian intervention'.
Maybe it's time to cut Zhongguo a little slack?
getfiscal posted:- China tries to curtail dumb political comments and pornography on the Internet.
much like lf permamod Emanuela Orlandi
stegosaurus posted:isnt that part about land straight up not true even in a technical sense
what's "true" or not in this topsy turvey postmodern future
getfiscal posted:- Chinese foreign investment tends to focus on mutually beneficial resource agreements.
lol
stegosaurus posted:http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/massmarkets/2012/08/09/former-evergreen-solar-ceos-hingham-mansion-could-sell-for-more-than-companys-devens-factory/#axzz2EKnEA072this is about my uncle lol.
dang, am i the only rhizzhomo that isnt the privilege-born son of crapitalists??
stegosaurus posted:http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/massmarkets/2012/08/09/former-evergreen-solar-ceos-hingham-mansion-could-sell-for-more-than-companys-devens-factory/#axzz2EKnEA072this is about my uncle lol. they shut the factory in the us down after getting millions of bucks for it and shifted production to china. I guess the chinese government gave them the land for free and made the locals dig out the foundation pit with shovels and wheelbarrows.
this is really interesting because it highlights one of the most important concepts in marxism. the government is throwing billions of dollars at alternative energy and various corporations to keep them profitable and keep them from outsourcing. and it's having no effect, companies are like "thanks for the money, cya never"
the best and only explanation for this is that capitalists do not care about the accumulation of profit, in fact they will often do extremely unprofitable things like fire everyone working if they try to go on strike or cut everyone's health insurance so they die sooner. what capitalists care about is the accumulation of surplus value and not profit. the rate of valorization and the low cost of variable capital in the third world is what matters, not how much money obama can throw at a dart board. the difference between these two is essential and one of the reasons keysianism is nonsense and has had 0 effect on the current crisis.
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babyhueypnewton posted:stegosaurus posted:http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/massmarkets/2012/08/09/former-evergreen-solar-ceos-hingham-mansion-could-sell-for-more-than-companys-devens-factory/#axzz2EKnEA072this is about my uncle lol. they shut the factory in the us down after getting millions of bucks for it and shifted production to china. I guess the chinese government gave them the land for free and made the locals dig out the foundation pit with shovels and wheelbarrows.
this is really interesting because it highlights one of the most important concepts in marxism. the government is throwing billions of dollars at alternative energy and various corporations to keep them profitable and keep them from outsourcing. and it's having no effect, companies are like "thanks for the money, cya never"
the best and only explanation for this is that capitalists do not care about the accumulation of profit, in fact they will often do extremely unprofitable things like fire everyone working if they try to go on strike or cut everyone's health insurance so they die sooner. what capitalists care about is the accumulation of surplus value and not profit. the difference between these two is essential and one of the reasons keysianism is nonsense and has had 0 effect on the current crisis.
so if it hurts everyone, but hurts the proles more than the borg, then they do it? must be why public infrastructure is underfunded and there are no toilets at the welfare office
mustang19 posted:babyhueypnewton posted:stegosaurus posted:http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/massmarkets/2012/08/09/former-evergreen-solar-ceos-hingham-mansion-could-sell-for-more-than-companys-devens-factory/#axzz2EKnEA072this is about my uncle lol. they shut the factory in the us down after getting millions of bucks for it and shifted production to china. I guess the chinese government gave them the land for free and made the locals dig out the foundation pit with shovels and wheelbarrows.
this is really interesting because it highlights one of the most important concepts in marxism. the government is throwing billions of dollars at alternative energy and various corporations to keep them profitable and keep them from outsourcing. and it's having no effect, companies are like "thanks for the money, cya never"
the best and only explanation for this is that capitalists do not care about the accumulation of profit, in fact they will often do extremely unprofitable things like fire everyone working if they try to go on strike or cut everyone's health insurance so they die sooner. what capitalists care about is the accumulation of surplus value and not profit. the difference between these two is essential and one of the reasons keysianism is nonsense and has had 0 effect on the current crisis.so if it hurts everyone, but hurts the proles more than the borg, then they do it? must be why public infrastructure is underfunded and there are no toilets at the welfare office
p much. i was looking through the chapter on the length of the working day where marx talks about it and i found this interesting sentence:
In the United States of North America, every independent movement of the workers was paralysed so long as slavery disfigured a part of the Republic. Labour cannot emancipate itself in the white skin where in the black it is branded.
-Capital Vol 1, Chapter 10; Section 7
there are a lot of proto-third worldist ideas in marx which have been ignored for a historicist interpretation of marxism. thought this was interesting and i should post it before i forget.
babyhueypnewton posted:the best and only explanation for this is that capitalists do not care about the accumulation of profit, in fact they will often do extremely unprofitable things like fire everyone working if they try to go on strike or cut everyone's health insurance so they die sooner. what capitalists care about is the accumulation of surplus value and not profit. the rate of valorization and the low cost of variable capital in the third world is what matters, not how much money obama can throw at a dart board. the difference between these two is essential and one of the reasons keysianism is nonsense and has had 0 effect on the current crisis.
tHis!!!!
babyhueypnewton posted:mustang19 posted:babyhueypnewton posted:stegosaurus posted:http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/massmarkets/2012/08/09/former-evergreen-solar-ceos-hingham-mansion-could-sell-for-more-than-companys-devens-factory/#axzz2EKnEA072this is about my uncle lol. they shut the factory in the us down after getting millions of bucks for it and shifted production to china. I guess the chinese government gave them the land for free and made the locals dig out the foundation pit with shovels and wheelbarrows.
this is really interesting because it highlights one of the most important concepts in marxism. the government is throwing billions of dollars at alternative energy and various corporations to keep them profitable and keep them from outsourcing. and it's having no effect, companies are like "thanks for the money, cya never"
the best and only explanation for this is that capitalists do not care about the accumulation of profit, in fact they will often do extremely unprofitable things like fire everyone working if they try to go on strike or cut everyone's health insurance so they die sooner. what capitalists care about is the accumulation of surplus value and not profit. the difference between these two is essential and one of the reasons keysianism is nonsense and has had 0 effect on the current crisis.so if it hurts everyone, but hurts the proles more than the borg, then they do it? must be why public infrastructure is underfunded and there are no toilets at the welfare office
p much. i was looking through the chapter on the length of the working day where marx talks about it and i found this interesting sentence:
In the United States of North America, every independent movement of the workers was paralysed so long as slavery disfigured a part of the Republic. Labour cannot emancipate itself in the white skin where in the black it is branded.
-Capital Vol 1, Chapter 10; Section 7
there are a lot of proto-third worldist ideas in marx which have been ignored for a historicist interpretation of marxism. thought this was interesting and i should post it before i forget.
but my liberal studies professor told me that marx was a hetero normative chauvinist who believed that class struggle never existed in asia before colonialism introduced it
littlegreenpills posted:there was that long thing in the new Yorker about the prestigious high speed rail project that had a crash because a signal box had inferior components due to skimming and graft by party bureaucrats. couldn't happen in the west. we maintain our integrity by avoiding large infrastructure projects like the plague
in a bunch of this great country's 'critical infrastracture' power substations there are rats nests in junction boxes, wood in conducting trays, and fire alarms without batteries. also im allowed in there.
Panopticon posted:
the soviet union didn't like mendelian genetics
mustang19 posted:the soviet union didn't like mendelian genetics
that book was written in 1926, i believe lysenko became prominent in the 30s
getfiscal posted:Many people on this forum support Hugo Chavez because he leads a government that calls itself Socialist. At the same time, most of us are very critical of Chinese capitalism. Maybe we're being a little tough on the Middle Kingdom, though?
Consider these facts about China:
- Almost all of the financial sector is state-owned and is integrated into loose national plans for investment.
- The state still has a controlling interest, through state-owned enterprises, in industries like resources and transportation.
- Marxism is an obligatory course in university programs.
- Most workers in China are members of a union.
- The Communist Party has 80 million members from all leading sections of society.
- China's life expectancy is 10 years longer than India's due to strong health care programs.
- China has invested large amounts in public transit.
- All land in China is owned by the people rather than landlords.
- China is considered less corrupt than India according to Transparency International.
- Chinese media is largely public and controlled by the socialist movement.
- China tries to curtail dumb political comments and pornography on the Internet.
- Chinese foreign investment tends to focus on mutually beneficial resource agreements.
- Chinese foreign policy tends to be critical of 'humanitarian intervention'.
Maybe it's time to cut Zhongguo a little slack?
Free tibet
getfiscal posted:Many people on this forum support Hugo Chavez because he leads a government that calls itself Socialist. At the same time, most of us are very critical of Chinese capitalism. Maybe we're being a little tough on the Middle Kingdom, though?
whatever you want to call china it's ten thousand times better than the liberal capitalist states in asia
they sterilized five million tibetans, turning an entire country into an autosexual paradise
"my culture qq"
gyrofry posted:my independent commonwealth
catchphrase
Ironicwarcriminal posted:there's nothing that shows the bankruptcy of the free tibet movement more than the childish and selfish practice of burning oneself to death, talking about emotional blackmail.
"my culture qq"
so what? isis and al qaeda blow themselves up for their religion. tibetan dissidents didn't start burning themselves until one guy did it in 1998, during one of the tibetan youth congress's unto death hunger strikes, almost 50 years after the annexation. the dalai lama has said nothing against these suicides even though the majority of them are young people in their early 20s and even teenagers as young as 15.
and for what it's worth, the chinese have accused the tibetan youth congress of all sorts of shady shit.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/04/content_8104388.htm
The rate of surplus value matters but corporations have no access to that knowledge, they only act through profit which is a contradiction in the system (why capitalists refuse to invest in the real economy even after the stimulus even though it is in their interests as a class to do so). capitalists go from areas of lower profitability to higher profitability and can even not invest at all if there is no profit to be had but they're not really capable of non-profitable investment over the long term. sorry everyone.