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In another two villages in Homs, Al-Shumaryiah and Teldo, the Free Syrian Army committed a massacre against many families.

The Al-Qaeda linked terrorist Free Syrian Army kidnaps, tortures, and holds massive rallies declaring their intention to cleanse Syria of Christians and Alawites. One of the most popular protest chants is “Christians to Beirut, Alawites to the grave”

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2012/05/kidnappers-of-free-syrian-army.html

Not a single US newspaper report on acts of torture and kidnappings and ransom by gangs of the Free Syrian Army. They kidnapped innocent Lebanese pilgrims and MacFarquhar of the Times (the mere publisher of press releases by exile Syrian opposition) even insinuated that the women and elderly in the bus who were kidnapped were “armed thugs” of Hizbullah.

http://angryarab.net/2012/03/12/free-syrian-army-kills-250-shabbihah/

So the Free Syrian Army admits (or brags about) killing 250 “Shabbihah” (goons of the regime). Now, many in the opposition refer to Alawites as Shabbihah in order to justify killing them, as has happened in Homs. So do those people get registered in the daily casualty lists? So will Western news media now finally state that some of the dead are in fact killed by Free Syrian Army and like minded groups??

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2012/05/lies-of-free-syrian-army_24.html

I watched interviews with a woman who was among the Lebanese Shiite pilgrims in Aleppo (where the men in the group were kidnapped). Hajjah Hayat (and that is her name) was interviewed on all TV channels: she is sharp and has excellent memories. She not only noted that the kidnappers/thugs identified themselves as Free Syrian Army but said that she recognized their flag. She said that she even recognized their leader and remembered him video when he defected. This embarrassed the (Un)Free Syrian Army and led them to start lying: sometimes they blame the regime and other times they blame some rival group. Of course, all this is not noted in the Western press because exposing the lies of the exile Syrian opposition is not part of the propaganda mission.

http://angryarab.net/2012/05/06/free-syrian-army-bombs-a-damascus-car-wash/

Yesterday, the BBC reported matter-of-factly that the Free Syrian Army bombed a Damascus car wash because the owner is “shabbih” (probably he euphemism for the religious identify of the owner) . The BBC reporter seemed impressed with the deed. BBC (and Saudi and Qatari) media should have a daily report titled: our favorite bombings by the Free Syrian Army. Revolution? Revolution my…potato.

http://angryarab.net/2012/04/02/child-soldiers-with-the-free-syrian-army/

“Syrian rebels fighting to oust President Bashar al-Assad have been accused of using children as fighters in violation of international conventions banning the recruitment of child soldiers, a senior U.N. official said on Monday.” I am sorry but Anne Barnard does not want you to know that. It ruins the propaganda image of the Free Syrian Army that has been constructing.

a good article on disinformation against Syria: http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/landis140411.html

Al Jazeera was caught feeding lines to Syrians to lie about the Syrian government. Ever since Qatar threw its lot in with Saudi Arabia and the US, Al Jazeera’s news has gone down horribly in quality. There have been mass resignations and loyalists have replaced journalists.

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careful. You're meant to be convincing us of the hypocrisy of the western media but it comes across like you're trying to convince us of the uniform savagery of Arabs.
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Let's see what we got here. The Syrian state media, a blog, and MRZine. Well, I'm convinced.

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maybe in your weird corner of the internet it's common to greet people with pictures of dead children with no warning but in future maybe think about us semi-normal people.
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Let's see what we got here. The Syrian state media, a blog, and MRZine. Well, I'm convinced.

seriously lol

why didnt you just link the arab league report

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the syrian civil war is a class war. christians and alawites constitute the ranks of the bourgeoisie under baath state capitalism. a revolution is not a tea party. support the free syrian army & god bless america

deadken was probated until (May 28, 2012 07:57:56) for this post!

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the syrian civil war is a class war. christians and alawites constitute the ranks of the bourgeoisie under baath state capitalism. a revolution is not a tea party. support the free syrian army & god bless america

thats not true

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no but neither is islam so, yknow
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no but neither is islam so, yknow

i just uttered "holy shit" under my breath.

Damn...

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here's some shit

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20120426/173076916-print.html

The Popular Front, along with the National Coordination Committee (NCC), whose delegation visited Moscow last week, represents Syria’s internal opposition, as opposed to the Istanbul-based Syrian National Council (SNC).

While the SNC has called for foreign military intervention in Syria, the two other groups have been strongly opposed to it, insisting that the conflict has to be resolved without any outside interference.

When asked whether the Popular Front was ready to cooperate with other Syrian opposition groups, Jamil said his group had “one condition” for those willing to begin dialogue: they should agree that outside intervention is “unacceptable.”

“If the Syrian National Council accepts this, then we can talk to them – but not before,” he said.

SNC member Bassam Al-Imadi told RIA Novosti “we are ready to cooperate with everybody, this is not the question; the question is whether this cooperation is going to bring fruit.”

Both al-Imadi and NCC spokesman Abdul Aziz al-Khayr said the Popular Front was in fact very close to the Syrian regime, despite calling themselves an opposition group.

“After all these massacres and killing by the regime, it’s not easy to accept it will go on ruling Syria,” al-Imadi said. “If this opposition moves in the same path as us, we are ok to cooperate with them. But we feel that many of them are only aspiring to get some position within this regime.”

Al-Khayr said, however, that since both the NCC and the Popular Front wanted to “see a democratic regime in Syria,” and since both “reject foreign intervention and the militarization of the uprising,” they could find common ground. Jamil also said his group had “no problems” with the NCC, and that real dialogue between the two internal opposition bodies was only hampered by “technical matters.”

As for the Istanbul-based SNC, Al-Khayr said it was “not united in its political agenda.”

“The SNC consists of too many groups, and each of them is not really in true coordination with the other,” he said. “Some of them depend mostly on Turkey, others on the Gulf States, while a third part depends on France and other Western countries. So it’s not easy to deal with the SNC as a united group.”

Forces unable to destabilize Syria turn to Lebanon - ministry

MOSCOW: Forces which have failed to implement their plans to destabilize Syria have turned to Lebanon, which is trying to prevent foreign intervention in Syria, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

"Moscow is seriously concerned by growing internal tensions in Lebanon. It appears that the forces that have failed to realize their plans to destabilize Syria have turned to the neighboring Lebanon," the ministry said on its website on Monday.

"They clearly dislike this country's government course aimed at preventing foreign intervention in Syrian affairs and facilitating a swift peaceful settlement in Syria on the basis of Kofi Annan's plan approved by the United Nations Security Council, the actions of military and security agencies opposing the attempts at arms smuggling and militant trafficking, " the ministry said.

To attain their goals these forces are trying to stoke tensions among various Lebanese political and sectarian forces, the Ministry said.

"For our part, we are calling on Lebanese politicians to show restraint and high patriotic responsibility at this difficult moment for the country and the region. The Lebanese must not follow the lead of those who would like to sow new seeds of sectarian discord and confusion on their land. We hope that the Lebanese government and Lebanese enforcement agencies, acting strictly within the law, shall take whatever steps necessary to restore calm in the country and preserve civil peace and unity," the statement said.

An incident at an army base in the Akkar District on May 20 killed the Sunni religious leader Sheikh Abdelwahed and his aide and injured a soldier, the foreign ministry said. The circumstances of this tragic incident are being investigated by the Lebanese authorities.

The incident prompted a strong reaction in the form of riots and road blocks in a number of Sunni-populated areas. In Western Beirut, skirmishes between supporters of the Al-Mustaqbal Movement and the At-Tatyyar Al-Arabi Party continued through the night. Two were reportedly killed and 18 injured.

There was gunfire at Sheikh Ahmed Abdul-Wahid's funeral in northern Lebanon yesterday, a promise from the Lebanese army that they will investigate his killing – by a soldier – on Sunday, and a heap of appeals for calm from both the military and the government.

But, and here's the worrying factor, not a single Lebanese flag was held aloft at the Sunni Muslim Sheikh's graveside. Banners of the largely Sunni March 14th movement that opposes Syria, there were aplenty. And many flags of the old Syrian nation – green-white-and-black – the symbol that now identifies all opposition to President Bashar al-Assad. But Lebanon had somehow got lost.

Now, Turkey is fabricating stories involving Syrian troops "firing across" the Turkish-Syrian border. The New York Times published these bold accusations before admitting further down that "it was unclear what kind of weapons caused the injuries on Sunday around six miles inside Turkish territory," and that "there were conflicting accounts about the incident." As are all the accusations used by NATO, the UN, and individual member states to justify meddling in Syria's affairs, these tales involve hear-say from the rebels themselves.

It is clear that Turkey, NATO, and the UN are attempting to set the pretext for the establishment of "safe havens" and "humanitarian corridors" intended to circumvent the UN Security Council which has seen attempts to green-light military intervention vetoed twice by Russia and China. As the UN "peace deal" deadline of April 10 comes and goes, we can expect an ever increasing din of propaganda purporting Syrian violations against Turkish sovereignty, the continued propaganda campaign accentuating the "victimization" of NATO's death squads, and the public roll-out of Brookings' Turkish established "safe haven" within Syrian territory.

Syria is allowing Kurdish rebels who are fighting Turkish forces to establish bases in Syrian territory, as ties between the two neighboring countries deteriorate, a Turkish minister said Wednesday.

Interior Minister Idris Naim Sahin said Turkish intelligence indicates that Syria is allowing rebels to establish themselves in areas close to the Turkish border.

Some Kurdistan Workers' Party rebels have even taken charge of running small Syrian towns, Sahin claimed, describing the development as an apparent act of revenge against Turkey.

Now it is fully admitted that weapons, cash, and logistical support is indeed being provided to terrorist forces in Syria by the United States, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other Gulf States. This, despite a current UN ceasefire the West has continuously berated the Syrian government for violating, indicates that indeed reorganizing, rearming, and redeploying NATO's terrorist proxies is complete, and another round of destructive violence has begun.

In the Washington Post's article, "Syrian rebels get influx of arms with gulf neighbors’ money, U.S. coordination," not only is this admitted, but claims made by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad have been confirmed that Syria's historically violent Muslim Brotherhood, stated in 2007 by Seymour Hersh as being a direct proxy of US-Saudi-Israeli funding and support, is also directly arming and funding contingents of extremists committing acts of terror across Syria.

Areas across Syria that have until now been portrayed as centers for "pro-democracy" protests, racked by violence depicted as "repression" by Syrian troops, are now admitted by the Washington Post to be areas where "material is being stockpiled." This includes the flashpoint city of Idlib on the Turkish-Syrian border, in the suburbs of Damascus, and along Syria's border with Lebanon. And again, in 2007, Seymour Hersh revealed that the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia had planned to array extremists along Syria's border to commit the very violence now being admitted by the Post today.

The Washington Post openly admits that these weapons, supplies, cash and support, provided by the US and Saudi Arabia are directly responsible for the increased violence in Syria, in the midst of a ceasefire the West has attempted to disingenuously use to defame the Syrian government, hamper its ability to restore order, and indeed, rearm, reorganize, and redeploy their terrorist proxies to begin another attempt at violent foreign-backed regime change:

Syria suffered its worst terror attack in decades this month when two car bombs exploded near a military intelligence branch in Damascus, killing 55 people and wounding hundreds more. Syria's state-run news agency was quick to publish gruesome pictures of the victims of the attack, which President Bashar al-Assad's regime pinned on "foreign-backed terrorist groups."

At first, the Syrian regime seemed to have evidence to back up its case. On May 12, a video was distributed on YouTube, purportedly from a Palestinian branch of the jihadist group Jabhat al-Nusrah ("The Victory Front" or JN), claiming credit for the attack. But the release turned out to be a fake: On May 14, JN released a statement denying that it was behind the video. At the same time, it did not deny conducting the attack. Rather, JN's media outlet said it had yet to hear from JN's military commanders if they perpetrated the bombings.

Whether or not JN was involved in the Damascus attack, the organization has become a real force in recent weeks -- and one that threatens to undermine the Free Syrian Army (FSA), the loose network of defectors and local militia fighting the government. Its main goals are to awaken Muslims to the atrocities of the Assad regime, and eventually take control of the state and implement its narrow and puritanical interpretation of Islamic law. To that end, in the past month alone, JN has perpetrated a series of suicide bombings and IED strikes -- and the pace of attacks seems to be growing.

According to the National Employment Market Observatory, 90,000 employees with social insurance registration – and an undetermined but far greater number of unregistered workers – have lost their jobs as a result of the economic downturn in Syria and the closure of privately-owned businesses and factories.
While emigration is not a new option for Syrian youth, this year it is increasingly becoming the most viable option for some.

Ahmad, who graduated from law school last year, said, “Emigration was not part of my future plans. On the contrary, in conversations with other young people I used to urge them not to leave the country. But regrettably, I am now thinking of it myself.”

“It’s not just for economic reasons,” he explains. “I no longer feel safe after the bombings in Damascus. The victims were people who had nothing to do with the whole crisis. It has left me constantly feeling that I could become a victim of the bombings too, or the kidnappings on the roads.”

However, it has become a lot harder to leave the country, as most of the desired destination countries have closed down their embassies in Syria. Many people are travelling to Lebanon to apply for visas at foreign embassies there. But they encounter difficulties as soon as they are identified as Syrian.

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i haven't seen much evidence that the West wants to intervene in Syria
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

i haven't seen much evidence that the West wants to intervene in Syria

they dont

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Eh heh heh.... Why So Syrais.

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we know all this already but it's very nice to see some validation

http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/sandbox/going-rogue-americas-unconventional-warfare-mideast

The intent of U.S. UW efforts is to exploit a hostile power’s political, military, economic, and psychological vulnerabilities by developing and sustaining resistance forces to accomplish U.S. strategic objectives…For the foreseeable future, U.S. forces will predominantly engage in irregular warfare (IW) operations.

So begins the 2010 Unconventional Warfare (UW) Manual of the US Military’s Special Forces. The manual attached here (TC 18-01) is an interim publication, developed to address the definition of Unconventional Warfare and some other inconsistencies in UW Doctrine. The new UW document (ATP 3-05.1) is in the initial draft and not yet available, though sources tell me it is unlikely to differ much from TC 18-01.

In Syria, the Unconventional Warfare task would have been a mix of the two. Because of the domestic popularity and strength of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad revealed here in a 2006 Wikileaks Cable, UW activities would necessarily need to start with some subversion of the population before graduating to a Libyan-style scenario.

Just as the Wikileaks cable recommends identifying “opportunities” to expose “vulnerabilities” in the Syrian regime and cause sectarian/ethnic division, discord within the military/security apparatus and economic hardship, the UW manual also instructs special forces to “exploit a hostile power’s political, military, economic, and psychological vulnerabilities.”

The Syrian demographic landscape is reflected in the UW manual: “In almost every scenario, resistance movements face a population with an active minority supporting the government and an equally small militant faction supporting the resistance movement. For the resistance to succeed, it must convince the uncommitted middle population…to accept it as a legitimate entity. A passive population is sometimes all a well-supported insurgency needs to seize political power.”

To turn the “uncommitted middle population” into supporting insurgency, UW recommends the “creation of atmosphere of wider discontent through propaganda and political and psychological efforts to discredit the government.”

As conflict escalates, so should the “intensification of propaganda; psychological preparation of the population for rebellion.”

First, there should be local and national “agitation” – the organization of boycotts, strikes, and other efforts to suggest public discontent. Then, the “infiltration of foreign organizers and advisors and foreign propaganda, material, money, weapons and equipment.”

The next level of operations would be to establish “national front organizations and liberation movements ” that would move larger segments of the population toward accepting “increased political violence and sabotage” – and encourage the mentoring of “individuals or groups that conduct acts of sabotage in urban centers.”

Now, how and why would an uncommitted – and ostensibly peaceful - majority of the population respond to the introduction of violence by opposition groups? The UW manual tells us there is an easy way to spin this one:

If retaliation occurs, the resistance can exploit the negative consequences to garner more sympathy and support from the population by emphasizing the sacrifices and hardship the resistance is enduring on behalf of “the people.” If retaliation is ineffective or does not occur, the resistance can use this as proof of its ability to wage effect combat against the enemy. In addition, the resistance can portray the inability or reluctance of the enemy to retaliate as a weakness, which will demoralize enemy forces and instill a belief in their eventual defeat.

And so on, and so forth.

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lol 'rogue' americans...
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discipline posted:

MRZine is a good source and so is angry arab sorry for your loss

source of that rotten egg smell maybe

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The Mr. Zine Website is run by someone who is attracted to Ahmadinejad, whom they call "The Persian Chavez".
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it's dr. zine. Be more respectful you swine
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babyfinland posted:

discipline posted:

MRZine is a good source and so is angry arab sorry for your loss

source of that rotten egg smell maybe

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US warns of military option in Syria

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-warns-of-military-option-in-syria-20120529-1zhci.html
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BiffTurkle posted:

Saudi Arabia give arms to criminals to kill legitimate government men. Fundamentalists kill random non sunni. USA send more gun. Pretend government massacres, ASSAD IS KILLING HIS OWN PEOPLE?? IS HE INSANE???

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'frontlines of revolutionary struggle' blogged this article, our dear m.t.w. friends are slipping

https://revolutionaryfrontlines.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/syrias-my-lai/

With at least 109 dead, including dozens of children, the weekend massacre in the Syrian village of Houla could go down in history alongside such brutal post-World War II massacres as My Lai and Srebrenica. In Syria, it will likely trigger a new wave of violence and reprisals.

My Lai. Sabra and Shatila. Srebrenica. And now Houla. The sheer intensity of international outrage over the Friday-night massacre means that the village in northeastern Syria could very well join the towns in Vietnam, Lebanon and Bosnia-Herzegovina as short-hand for the murder of defenseless civilians in the post-World War II era. According to the United Nations, at least 100 people were killed in the attack, many of them young children. On Sunday afternoon, the UN Security Council condemned the killings and blamed the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad for the slaughter.

China on Monday joined the long list of countries to denounce the violence. “China feels deeply shocked by the large number of civilian casualties in Houla, and condemns in the strongest terms the cruel killings of ordinary citizens, especially women and children,” said Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin.

The death toll from the attack continued to rise on Sunday, with several of the 300 people wounded succumbing to their injuries. The number of dead is now thought to be 109 villagers. In addition, some 3,000 people took to the streets of Damascus to protest against the bloody government attack, according to activists. Security forces reportedly fired into the crowd, killing two. Houla, it would seem, is not yet over.

But global disgust has not brought an end to the violence. At least 24 people were killed in the central city of Hama during bombardments on Sunday night, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Eight of those killed were reportedly children. The bombardment came after several attacks on Assad forces by fighters with the Free Syrian Army, though reports of the violence have yet to be independently verified, Reuters reported.

tony cartalucci is on a roll lately

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/05/wests-houla-syria-narrative-crumbles.html

The UN according to Associated Press, has stated that, "most of the 108 victims of a massacre in Syria last week were shot at close range, some of them women, children and entire families gunned down in their own homes." The UN has also stated that militants, not Syrian soldiers, were responsible for the massacre. The report cites "witness accounts" claiming the militants were "pro-government thugs known as shabiha," while the Syrian government has claimed the militants were foreign-backed armed terrorists.

This stands in stark contrast to the original narrative the US, UK, France and other NATO members have used to accuse the Syrian government for the atrocities, and even as the basis to expel Syrian diplomats. As stated by UK Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt, (emphasis added) "We are appalled at what appears to be credible reports that the Syrian regime has been responsible for the deaths of 92 civilians in Houla, including 32 children. The UN Head of Mission has been able to confirm the numbers and also that artillery tank shells have been used. If this is the case then it's an act of pure, naked savagery and we condemn it in the most strongest possible terms."

As the window of opportunity closes for the West to exploit the bloodshed at Houla, the Western media is increasingly backpedaling, retracting, and being caught in a crossfire of their own lies and propagandizing. BBC was caught initially using years' old photos from Iraq for their Houla coverage, while papers and networks across the board have had to adjust their narratives entirely as each new piece of verified evidence emerges.

What is known is that Syrian troops were engaged with armed militants of the "Free Syrian Army" (FSA) in and around Houla. Syrian troops, as they have been doing throughout the conflict, were using artillery and tanks to target heavily fortified rebel positions from a distance. During or shortly after this exchange, militants began entering homes and killing families with knives and small arms fire. The FSA and Syrian opposition claim the militants were pro-government militias while the government claims they were foreign-backed Al Qaeda terrorists, known to be operating throughout the country. What they weren't, by all accounts, were Syrian troops.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently called for international intervention in Syria citing the alleged Houla massacre, echoed by Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Mahmoud Ghozlan who stated the same. The Syrian arm of the Muslim Brotherhood has been involved heavily, leading in fact, the US, Israeli, Saudi, and Qatari-backed sectarian violence that has been ravaging Syria for over a year. In a May 6, 2012 Reuters article it stated:

"Working quietly, the Brotherhood has been financing Free Syrian Army defectors based in Turkey and channeling money and supplies to Syria, reviving their base among small Sunni farmers and middle class Syrians, opposition sources say."

While Reuters categorically fails to explain the "how" behind the Brotherhood's resurrection, it was revealed in a 2007 New Yorker article titled, "The Redirection" by Seymour Hersh, as being directly backed by the US and Israel who were funneling support through the Saudis so as to not compromise the "credibility" of the so-called "Islamic" movement. Hersh revealed that members of the Lebanese Saad Hariri clique, then led by Fouad Siniora, had been the go-between for US planners and the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.

Hersh reports the Lebanese Hariri faction had met Dick Cheney in Washington and relayed personally the importance of using the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria in any move against the ruling government:

" Jumblatt then told me that he had met with Vice-President Cheney in Washington last fall to discuss, among other issues, the possibility of undermining Assad. He and his colleagues advised Cheney that, if the United States does try to move against Syria, members of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood would be “the ones to talk to,” Jumblatt said." -The Redirection, Seymour Hersh

Russia slammed a call on Tuesday by Syria's external opposition for the UN Security Council to mandate military action, saying it would incite a civil war.

The Syrian National Council called on Tuesday for the UN body to authorize the "use of force" and welcomed the expulsion of top diplomats from several Western countries.

After economic sanctions and the diplomatic shutout, the UN Security Council should "adopt a resolution under Chapter VII (of the UN Charter) allowing the use of necessary force in order to put a stop to the genocide and the murders committed by the regime's militias," the SNC said.

The use of rape and torture lies for propaganda purposes serve a very specific function: they create a climate conducive to war-making when a government has successfully resisted all other attempts at subversion and destabilization. Like the Gaddafi government last year, Assad’s government has managed to stay in power in the face of a multi-faceted, international war being waged against it from all sides. Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the Washington imperialist warmongers are incensed that Assad has not yet fallen and that their terrorist proxies have been unequivocal failures. So, they turn to their most effective weapon: lies. As we’ve seen in recent days with the Houla massacre, the Western media, as a mouthpiece for US-NATO propaganda, has launched an all-out media campaign of lies to convince the public that Assad is a heartless, inhuman butcher. The claims that Syrian military forces were responsible for the horrendous massacre have been refuted and debunked countless times, so much so that even the Western media has had to recast the narrative, constantly changing it in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Whatever claims of rape and torture that might be true are likely being committed at the hands of the armed terrorist “opposition” in Syria. If we are to believe that there actually are eyewitnesses to these acts, as claimed in the above mentioned London Telegraph article, then it is clear these acts are being carried out by these militias who have no connection to the Syrian government or to the Syrian people and are part of the international subversion campaign. These death squads, like their antecedents in Central America and Iraq, are trained by the West and its proxies in the Middle East because the imperialists know that they cannot otherwise execute their agenda.

It is necessary and, in fact, essential for the United States and its allies to wage this propaganda war. Without it, rationality and sound political thinking might sway public opinion away from war and back to the idea that Syria belongs to Syrians. This basic conception completely derails the entire drive for war, preventing Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and the United States from imposing their will on the people of Syria and continuing their imperialist domination of the region.

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As we’ve seen in recent days with the Houla massacre, the Western media, as a mouthpiece for US-NATO propaganda, has launched an all-out media campaign of lies to convince the public that Assad is a heartless, inhuman butcher.

See i agree with all the stuff questioning the certainty and narrative of the Western media but this just loses me. Am i meant to believe he's not? Regardless of what side of politics he would be on, any leader of a country like Syria (or America i guess) for a sustained amount of time is going to be a heartless, inhuman butcher

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

As we’ve seen in recent days with the Houla massacre, the Western media, as a mouthpiece for US-NATO propaganda, has launched an all-out media campaign of lies to convince the public that Assad is a heartless, inhuman butcher.

See i agree with all the stuff questioning the certainty and narrative of the Western media but this just loses me. Am i meant to believe he's not? Regardless of what side of politics he would be on, any leader of a country like Syria (or America i guess) for a sustained amount of time is going to be a heartless, inhuman butcher

The facts are clear enough that the houla massacre was not perpetrated by Assad's people. It was a manufactured incident just in time for the UN meeting. They know about the Assad uncle massacre at Hama in the 80s, so they're going to make up a new one whenever they can. Note how it started with fake shelling as a way to hide the fact that these people were killed execution style, which is not a hallmark of Assad's forces. Assad family doesn't do half assed massacres, if they want to kill everyone, they will do it, and will probably do it with massive artillery barrages and tank shelling, not shooting a few shells at a few people. They also wouldn't let word get out

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Myfanwy posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
As we’ve seen in recent days with the Houla massacre, the Western media, as a mouthpiece for US-NATO propaganda, has launched an all-out media campaign of lies to convince the public that Assad is a heartless, inhuman butcher.
See i agree with all the stuff questioning the certainty and narrative of the Western media but this just loses me. Am i meant to believe he's not? Regardless of what side of politics he would be on, any leader of a country like Syria (or America i guess) for a sustained amount of time is going to be a heartless, inhuman butcher

The facts are clear enough that the houla massacre was not perpetrated by Assad's people. It was a manufactured incident just in time for the UN meeting. They know about the Assad uncle massacre at Hama in the 80s, so they're going to make up a new one whenever they can. Note how it started with fake shelling as a way to hide the fact that these people were killed execution style, which is not a hallmark of Assad's forces. Assad family doesn't do half assed massacres, if they want to kill everyone, they will do it, and will probably do it with massive artillery barrages and tank shelling, not shooting a few shells at a few people. They also wouldn't let word get out

who is the "they" at the beginning of your comment

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Free Syrian Army and associated Western-backed terrorist militias, duh. Is there any reason at all to assume that the regime uses militias of its own instead of using, you know, the army?

Of course the West prefers if they don't have to send in their own troops/air-force, but it's perfectly clear that they will intervene if given the opportunity. Regime change MUST happen.
I read somewhere that Russia might be going for the "Yemen" option for Syria, which is kinda funny in a dark, sick, twisted way.