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gorogoa
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the 2017 thread drew the connection between video games and gambling and lines continue to blur with free-to-play lootboxes, etc. many games have internal economies and, with internet $ transactions and the latest console gens assuming always-on internet, personal user accounts, and internal storage, it is painless to connect the self-enclosed clean room economies of XP and grinding to the world market.

in between the 80s quarter arcade and the 2010s, there wasn't an easy way to monetize gaming skill. like, what's the physical connection between the player and their money, the game informing the player they suck, and the game owner collecting the player's money in immediate response? in the 80s it was the coin lockbox inside the physical arcade cabinet. all-in-one. but after the rise of home gaming there was no real way to translate the sting of loss into the impulse to purchase. you aren't going to sit on the phone like it's QVC to order in-game goods. and if you did, the games are ROM carts or CD/DVDs anyway, no simple way to return communication back to the game. there were 1-900 game tip hotlines but nobody was buying islands running those. it was a brief period where game skill wasn't neatly monetizable.

the problems were solved via always-on internet and game storage system shifting to re-writable media. that closed the loop: player loses, player can communicate with game owner to buy skill, player can pay game owner immediately, game owner can immediately update game. there's a short window of time where the player's ripe to lose twice and it is now here to stay.
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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
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i request that a mod create a thread in the main forum named "tHE r H i z z o n E reads The Book of Henry" and make the OP the above image of Naomi Watts leveling up on motherfuckers & immediately lock and sticky the thread. There are many good reasons. Thank you for your service
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the weirdest thing to me is how those guys can't make the tiny mental leap to understanding that companies all want to make money by following the trends of the consumer market, which lead away from those guys as the sole consumer base. instead they believe exactly what those companies want everyone to believe: that the companies are pursuing a "progressive" agenda out of pure belief in its virtue
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there probably isn't a game where we annihilate people who say "SJW" or "political agenda" yet so they haven't gone far enough
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someone make a game where you get to shoot people in the face for saying anything about 'virtue signalling'
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make a game that kills everyone who plays it
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oh wait right sorry they already made that game its called real life
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tears posted:

oh wait right sorry they already made that game its called real life


how could you possibly forget, getfiscal is livestreaming an award winning Let's Play of it as we speak!!

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cars posted:

the weirdest thing to me is how those guys can't make the tiny mental leap to understanding that companies all want to make money by following the trends of the consumer market, which lead away from those guys as the sole consumer base. instead they believe exactly what those companies want everyone to believe: that the companies are pursuing a "progressive" agenda out of pure belief in its virtue


theres definitely Gamers who get mad at the "pandering" you're describing, but fail to make the next obvious conclusion that they've been pandered to their entire lives

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c_man posted:

theres definitely Gamers who get mad at the "pandering" you're describing, but fail to make the next obvious conclusion that they've been pandered to their entire lives



imo those people are still people who don't get it because they think video games are art instead of a commercial enterprise

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because i am a Child i have obtained a video game today, the legend zelda.
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UN declare 2018 year of the vid eo game
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can’t believe the idiot zelda, has been kidnapped yet again.
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mods rename me to beowulf cluster gamer
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nerds are mad because having been raised as the darlings of the video game market they are now just another demographic. this coming at the same historical moment that petit bourgouis american lads are no longer the fattened little darlings of the us economy. two swings of the axe hitting the same split in the rotten log, and now all the shit and corruption is bursting out. every lurid scenario these sadsacks can think of (feminised man as the sidekick to dominant woman, LGBT takeover, piss down throat) is presented like material fact even though nothing like that actually occurs in games. they are eating from the trash can
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me seeing the purple haired woman in the star war s : 'queer femme boys are shitting into my exposed eyeball and farting in my ear'
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they're mad because the games suck
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games last year were very good, lots of good games. pubg, wolfenstein. updates to rainbow six siege. apparently some indie 2D dark souls knockoffs. you know what i love to do with my time is play a worse version of a game. i like to play dark souls that looks uglier and with campier dialogue and bad boring art. it should have maudlin music and sad, sad bugs as characters. i want to play a magic bug and i kill other adorkable bugs. ill stick to hearts of iron V with a visual esb mod that makes the visuals ascii art
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Alright i dont usually do this but heres a serious opinion on games. Whats the deal with all this 'metroidvania' crap. For starters thats an obnoxious name, instead why dont you just call it "artifically difficult platformer with lots of backtracking". Platformers are my favourite type of game but the genre is awash with this crap or meat boy-style super hard technical stuff thats basically just a muscle memory challenge by the looks of things, which is fucking boring. Where are the fun new 2D platform games for normal idiots like me who are not terrible game nerds
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Petrol posted:

Where are the fun new 2D platform games for normal idiots like me who are not terrible game nerds


their in a nother castle

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Petrol posted:

Alright i dont usually do this but heres a serious opinion on games. Whats the deal with all this 'metroidvania' crap. For starters thats an obnoxious name, instead why dont you just call it "artifically difficult platformer with lots of backtracking". Platformers are my favourite type of game but the genre is awash with this crap or meat boy-style super hard technical stuff thats basically just a muscle memory challenge by the looks of things, which is fucking boring. Where are the fun new 2D platform games for normal idiots like me who are not terrible game nerds



theres a new bubsy, if thats more your speed

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counterpoint to all that: hollow knight was good and fun and evocative and really not that similar to dark souls beyond its fragmentary narrative

salt & sanctuary, however,
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Petrol posted:

Alright i dont usually do this but heres a serious opinion on games. Whats the deal with all this 'metroidvania' crap. For starters thats an obnoxious name, instead why dont you just call it "artifically difficult platformer with lots of backtracking". Platformers are my favourite type of game but the genre is awash with this crap or meat boy-style super hard technical stuff thats basically just a muscle memory challenge by the looks of things, which is fucking boring. Where are the fun new 2D platform games for normal idiots like me who are not terrible game nerds



metroidvania is a pokemon of the words metroid and castlevania

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petrol play the marios imo
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Mario odyssey is great i just wish there was a new 2D mario or just a switch version of mario maker would be great, actually i think the latter is pretty likely to come out eventually

88888 posted:

theres a new bubsy, if thats more your speed


ehh i remember playing the snes version when i was a kid and sucking at it, i couldnt get used to the controls and it just felt like it was trying too hard to be fast like sonic, which i also never got into

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Gibbonstrength posted:

nerds are mad because having been raised as the darlings of the video game market they are now just another demographic. this coming at the same historical moment that petit bourgouis american lads are no longer the fattened little darlings of the us economy. two swings of the axe hitting the same split in the rotten log, and now all the shit and corruption is bursting out. every lurid scenario these sadsacks can think of (feminised man as the sidekick to dominant woman, LGBT takeover, piss down throat) is presented like material fact even though nothing like that actually occurs in games. they are eating from the trash can



i'd have figured they'd rally around the con-game/disaster of a far-right video game company crowd-funding campaign by this point. it would be such an easy way for a couple of them to rip the rest of them off using their beliefs as cover, and since their ideology promotes that behavior, it seems like they can't resist it

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cars posted:

i'd have figured they'd rally around the con-game/disaster of a far-right video game company crowd-funding campaign by this point. it would be such an easy way for a couple of them to rip the rest of them off using their beliefs as cover, and since their ideology promotes that behavior, it seems like they can't resist it


rhizzone fundraising project?

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88888 posted:

theres a new bubsy, if thats more your speed



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haha i just googled the new bubsy game and it looks like the inside of an asshole
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http://bubsy3d.com