#241
I’ve learned a lot from this thread. Just wanted to thank all the contributors.
#242

Skylark posted:

I was hoping somebody could tell me which one to pick lol. I started the Raymond one but the Bindel one is way more recent....



Bindel's alright but she's a journalist and shares in the vices of journalists like wading into every twitter controversy and firing off pieces like this one https://unherd.com/2018/10/why-the-transbullies-are-a-threat-to-us-all/. Doesn't mean the book's no good but for that reason alone I'd go with raymond first. They're both on libgen so I might check them out.

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kinch posted:

https://unherd.com/2018/10/why-the-transbullies-are-a-threat-to-us-all/


lol TERF journos all have the exact same pompous stilted writing style, kissing cousins with the canadian microsect maoist blogger black hole

#244
just imagine how jealous Jason Unruhe must be. these cranks pontificating about how queer people taking a leak are a Serious Threat To Our Sacred Norms And Institutions getting treated as respectable sane people who deserve money and attention instead of being relegated to his circus sideshow ghetto where they belong
#245

the propertyless proletariat had no material interest in the production of children, as children were no insurance in old age, unlike the sons of the bourgeoisie



Isnt the reverse of this true? The embourgeoisment of society seems to lessen the incentive to produce children at a first glance. Seems counterintuitive, considering the correlation between emergence of a middle class in a devoloping society and the fall in fertility. Or does this only apply to early modern capitalism?

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kinch posted:

Bindel's alright but she's a journalist and shares in the vices of journalists like wading into every twitter controversy and firing off pieces like this one https://unherd.com/2018/10/why-the-transbullies-are-a-threat-to-us-all/














#247

Caesura109 posted:

emergence of a middle class in a devoloping society and the fall in fertility



i think what you're talking about in terms of class is a combination of peasants being proletarianized and the development of a labor aristocracy (which again, depending on who it happens to, is a form of proletarianization). "development" in poor semifeudal economies means the expanding commodification of labor on a money-basis. "the embourgeoisement of society" doesn't equal "the embourgeoisement of the majority of people living in a society". though maybe you've seen examples up close that don't fit this mold.

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though maybe you've seen examples up close that don't fit this mold.



i was thinking of gulf oil states which are probably outliers when it comes to capitalist development.

#249
actually im taking a look at UK data and tho you get a slight dip in the 1840s the real decline comes post 1870 which is when the labor aristocracy was forming thanks to enrichment by imperial plunder, the same phenomenon that causes bourgeois economic historians to go "lol marx was wrong, no immiseration"
#250
Bindel... has kinda mega shit politics and would be of the feminist type that kinda views communism as a boys game. which it kinda is in terms of egotism but a complete overlook of the amazing achievements of the ussr in defeating sexism. fucking hell the ussr had 56% of women studying stem subjects compared to the male minority studying it

no other fucking country has even fucking made any gains comparable to that
#251
I discussed Polyandry a few weeks ago in my anthropology seminar. This article is a good outline of it, but the actual ethnography is way better and I'll link it when I'm home from work.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/when-taking-multiple-husbands-makes-sense/272726/
#252
Rly good Dworkin im reading...

Poverty is not wicked or cruel when it is the poverty of dispossessed women who have only themselves to sell; violence by the powerful against the powerless is not wicked or cruel when it is called sex; slavery is not wicked or cruel when it is sexual slavery; torture is not wicked or cruel when the tormented are women, whores, cunts. The new pornography is left-wing; and the new pornography is a vast graveyard where the Left has gone to die. The Left cannot have its whores and its politics too.

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chickeon posted:

It's the distillation of aspects of porn culture already constitutive of it at the broadest level, and a direct product of the culmination of all hitherto existing patriarchal ideas beliefs practices and institutions. For a good while now its tropes have diffused and permeated the broader cultural sphere and by now reached a sort of saturation where it's treated like a force of nature we can't do anything about. Those youngest victims, experiencing crucially formative psychological and neurological development and an associated vulnerability, have been fully immersed in a society not only complicit in but openly condoning even celebrating what amounts to violent misogynist hate propaganda of which the infantalizing and paedophiliac aspects have only played an increasingly large role. Probably the most effective although incredibly damaging psychic defenses against oppression and victimization is identification with the oppressing and victimizing party and internalization of the kind of perspective entailed by justification or rationalization of their own treatment and the generalized form of thhe same practices.



"there is a little girl inside of me who likes being choked and crying out daddy. I may not like her, but she's there and I can't do anything about it" was muttered by someone I knew and the worst part has got to be the naturalization at the end there

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#256
Posts these days be consisting of a "." and nothing else....
#257
What happened to chickeon.....i hope theyre havin a good time...