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WayBackMachine also has it, which is nice for clicking links to other parts of the same site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180824143944/https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/part-1/
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#763

cars posted:

And yet no retribution on Confederate officers and landowners, how sad.

#764
The whole south should have been genocided of crackers and given to the new afrikcans.
#765

Populares posted:

The whole south should have been genocided of crackers and given to the new afrikcans.

what an interesting verb..

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cars posted:

Second largest. The largest was the Great Hanging at Gainesville. Now "the most patriotic small town in America."

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trakfactri posted:

Now "the most patriotic small town in America."

holy shit

#768
"mass shooting in church in White Settlement, TX", clearly perpetrated by very unimaginative reader of j sakai
#769

shriekingviolet posted:

holy shit

might technically not count as it was after texas had broken away. the mass murder of 41 unionists is an inconvenient historical fact about the town though so they rebranded to essentially be the "troops" town and making that their thing, despite not being a military town or there being any military installations of note within 100 miles. i think in practice this means flying in really old korean and vietnam war veterans and parading them around as the townspeople wave miniature american flags and salute them for their service lynching koreans and vietnamese people.

edit: white settlement is in the same region. i associate that town more with paroled white supremacist prison gang members

#770
it's the goddam florida panhandle, it's racist as shit
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#772
I don't think there has really been an effective political plan for applying third worldist politics within the imperialist core, my interpretation is to work on anti-imperialist organizing until something better emerges

I don't think it will come from inside the belly of the beast, I think it will take the continuing development of revolutions abroad and it will be up to us to support them however they asked to be supported
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dizastar posted:

How do you associate afrikan lumpens and socialism, as they are a social group who add to this traditional belief-value system integrate the most predatory capitalist ethos needed for economic survival out of the legal capitalist circuit? its very tough doing any political/social organizing here because of this. Aside from antizionism and anti imperialism its difficult to make it go deeper ideologically. i got no solution for going further than food distribution to refugees or the really poor afrikans, and even that had a religious identity wrapped around it (sadaqah).

i think most initiatives that follow from local orgs led by nationals rarely succeed at providing more than patronizing 'charity', there is little consciousness of complicity. somehow the entire domestic/construction/agricultural sector depending on the labor of internal colonies under legal duress is of small consequence. with any action being self-perceived as gracious and therefore sufficient there is no incentive for analysis/maturation/continuity.

initiatives oriented from the position of 'the migrant' seem to hold more potential from being in flux and having a more heterodox intake depending on local demographics which can feel like a productive space for solidarity/learning/acting, although the focus/energy is continually fragmented toward the urgent and immediate. the tragic limitation is that often these spaces face insurmountable internal difficulties stemming from entrenched patriarchy.

imho organizing from a feminist position contributes towards liberation in the immediate familial/social/cultural sense and is absolutely necessary for whatever is next.

#774
I’m reading some stuff about 1960s-current US political organizing and there is a significant political lineage to the position that the principal contradiction in the US today isn’t workers vs bosses, but this political line has almost been extinguished in the left today. In a lot of ways, it wasn’t fully fleshed out, you had groups like the Revolutionary Union focused on proletarianizing college grads and sending them into factories to agitate with the eventual, larger end goal of building support for China.

One trend of this degenerated into adventurism (Bruce Franklin/Venceremos, Weather Underground, etc) and the other became the RCP, which reasserted the primacy of class conflict within the imperialist core as the most key contradiction to focus on.

The lessons from the past show just how difficult it is to organize on a communist basis without the primacy being class conflict, I think these are psychological as well as theoretical. In a very real sense, anti-imperialist organizing in the imperialist core calls for crumbling the current system before a new order can be built. The socialist projects across the world can flourish when imperial power declines and the superexploitation slows.

Let's say hypothetically we can get 10% off the imperial population to be outright communist in the right circumstances, it may only be 10% of those that will take a position asserting that the principal contradiction is the imperialist core vs the periphery. What does effective praxis look like when your best case scenario is 1% of the population taking a suicidal position (from a class and imperial perspective)?
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pogfan1996 posted:

What does effective praxis look like when your best case scenario is 1% of the population taking a suicidal position (from a class and imperial perspective)?

it looks like the analysis that leads to that question begins with a breathless flying leap through a whole bunch of stuff that hasn't been established

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cars posted:

pogfan1996 posted:

What does effective praxis look like when your best case scenario is 1% of the population taking a suicidal position (from a class and imperial perspective)?

it looks like the analysis that leads to that question begins with a breathless flying leap through a whole bunch of stuff that hasn't been established

That's a fair criticism. My larger point is that any suicidal class position has a very small number of adherents, you don't see a large percentage of factory owners and landlords organizing for socialism (although there have been significant individuals from these classes)

#777
framing it as suicidal probably isn't the best way to go, don't tell them that!
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chickeon posted:

framing it as suicidal probably isn't the best way to go, don't tell them that!

Do you mean this in a theoretical sense or rhetorical sense? Ending imperialism would, by definition, obliterate the labor aristocracy.

#779
hot take: spreading coronavirus as revolutionary praxis to weaken the us imperial machine
#780
I think at some point the sort of basic observation that almost all Americans are better off than the average Vietnamese peasant, that the left needed to hear, got turned into something unnecessarily absolutist. Idk if a useful way of categorizing the "who are our friends, who are our enemies" sort of thing really rests on "who's living on less than US federal minimum wage" which is the mim way of looking at it basically. Its an interesting way of looking at things but then ur kinda left with "lets do the turner diaries but maoist," which im not against on principle really but doesnt seem feasible. The people who're supposed to be involved in "unified national liberation war against the united ssnakess of amerikkka" dont really seem interested in any sort of nation state. And then once you start thinking about it, what are you gonna have like Aztlan socialism in one country? There's not gonna be a situation where only a geographic half or a quarter of the country is up for a revolution, and if the largest economy in the world is in crisis, that all the others are a in a million ways interlinked with, you're looking at a crisis situation across the world. You have the potential for a sort of 19th century imagination transnational "workers of the world" or whatever governmental solution. You dont need to think in a socialism in one country defensive 20th century posture, where nat lib is really the emphasized thing. Not to advocate for trotskyism or whatever i just dont know if the national contradiction is the panacea for the communist left.

And so we're back at looking at who's the "hard core of the proletariat" and i think the mim perspective kind of ignores the important part, which is "who is dependent on the sale of their labor power on the market" and who is living precariously for that reason. Which i think theres a v solid contingent of Americans that applies to. And there's strata of people who can rely on other means to live in addition to wage labor, from various sources and at various strengths. Obviously its all amplified by the context of imperial/settler parasitism, but I don't think it makes sense to see these people uniformly as a hostile labor aristocracy. From the inception of the proletariat as a class to the modern day there have been people alternating their time between wage labor and peasant agricultural life where they or their family may have some land. So I think the important thing is not tell everyone they need to commit class suicide out of the labor aristocracy, but that there is a labor aristocracy, and a LA movement and way of thinking that's dominant, and that its got them into the current crisis.

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If you got rid of the labour aristocracy a sizable chunk of the work it does for a living now would cease to make sense. You'd still need business analysts (I hope), teachers etc. but they would be working in a radically different economic system. And I can't visualise what that system looks like in a way that feels like it might approach reality if/when. Will there be more teachers and less business analysts? Will most current business analysts become hybrid job trainers/receptionists/cheesemakers while doing part-time training as nurses over 20 years? What would make sense as incentives for higher productivity or innovation? Less likely to be vacation to shrines of Mammon glittering with sin and instead enrichment session in nearby farm commune where price of admission is gathering mushrooms for a week. Video games? Capitalism would be long dead if it weren't able to selectively alter conditions of price discovery and labour negotiation in flagrant defiance of its own first principles. Once you acknowledge that though there's just an undifferentiated mass of questions with tentative answers at best.
#782
the Democratic People's Republic of Soviet States of Amerika will have competing video game design bureaus.
#783

chickeon posted:

framing it as suicidal probably isn't the best way to go, don't tell them that!

it's uhh, suicidal, but like, in the sense lil peep was suicidal? like, he OD'ed accidentally, but nobody is that reckless without a total disregard for their own wellbeing to the point of knowing their actions are, like, effectively suicidal. hello? please stop walking away from me

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pogfan1996 posted:

cars posted:

pogfan1996 posted:

What does effective praxis look like when your best case scenario is 1% of the population taking a suicidal position (from a class and imperial perspective)?

it looks like the analysis that leads to that question begins with a breathless flying leap through a whole bunch of stuff that hasn't been established

That's a fair criticism. My larger point is that any suicidal class position has a very small number of adherents, you don't see a large percentage of factory owners and landlords organizing for socialism (although there have been significant individuals from these classes)

If 10% of Americans are communist in the future, I'll reckon it's because the labor aristocracy no longer exists. No super profits, no labor aristocracy

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dizastar posted:

i like the MIM argument for all sex being rape but idk at the same time it kinda compromises me as a heterosexual man, same for dworkin although its very interesting outlooks.

i think MIMs rhetoric around this stuff was very stupid because it's like a cartoon version of what dworkin actually said & just reinforces the hysterical distortions of her ideas that have existed in the public understanding.

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dizastar posted:

i like the MIM argument for all sex being rape but idk at the same time it kinda compromises me as a heterosexual man, same for dworkin although its very interesting outlooks.

i think MIMs rhetoric around this stuff was very stupid because it's like a cartoon version of what dworkin actually said & just reinforces the hysterical distortions of her ideas that have existed in the public understanding.

i was interested to see what all the fuss is about and bnw is not wrong https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/etext/faq/allsexisrape.html

it's cringey to read this because it is so poorly developed yet so earnest. the topic of gender relations is indeed as important as this article holds out but that means it demands a proper exploration, not this mess. i mean, on top of all the glaring problems with it, it's heterocentric as fuck. into the bin!!

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also is it just me or is it really funny to read stuff like this on a website where every page is emblazoned with a message to buy their magazine from amazon
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Petrol posted:

also is it just me or is it really funny to read stuff like this on a website where every page is emblazoned with a message to buy their magazine from amazon

we have a magazine on amazon??

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#791
lil.red is down for now cuz my years-old SAmart goon-discount host moved to the cloud and fucked up all the DNS stuff that i'm currently too drained to look into
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[account deactivated]
#793
i recommended Settlers to a friend a bunch of times over the years, when he'd ask me for reading recs.

he finally got a paper copy of it and was eager to talk about it. "have you heard of Settlers?" he asks me.

anyway the important thing is, he's enjoying its content
#794
I can also happily report a irl friend acquired a hard copy of Settlers at my urging. Yet to hear their thoughts on it but I can at least be certain they will read it
#795
this settlers book really needs to do some business with something like reputation.com to improve its online presence and positive engagements
#796

Themselves posted:

this settlers book really needs to do some business with something like reputation.com to improve its online presence and positive engagements

#797
lf project: raising money to pay google so that readsettlers dot org would be the first result whenever someone googles united states
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