#2121

babyhueypnewton posted:


WOW! Inspiring! Tankies Hate This One Weird Trick To Change Regime! This Crowd Of Activists Is Chanting "CIA! CIA!"

#2122
flaunting the flags of nazi collaborators or singing hymns written by them is the most democratic thing you can ever do
#2123

babyhueypnewton posted:

Counter-revolution in Belarus following the exact same formula, exact same western "left" supporters, probably the same result as Ukraine and Bolivia since the state doesn't have the strength of the PSUV in Venezuela or the Chinese communist party. But we can hope.


Luka's mustache is pretty powerful though. That counts for something.

#2124
I think belarus is going to be okay. lukashenko will step down for health reasons in a year or two when real elections can be held without american NGO interference. unlike Ukraine the US doesn't have a whole neo-nazi paramilitary to maneuver with, there's just a few neo-nazis leading a small crowd of wealthy urbanites
#2125

sovnarkoman posted:


#2126
write-up on some website i've never heard of: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/belarus-nato-lobby-acknowledges-that-its-color-revolution-failed.html
#2127
moa can be a mixed bag but it p reliably cantankerously repudiates pop media narratives
#2128
That guy likely believes this Web site to be a part of a vast CIA conspiracy, so he's on the right track
#2129
on the other hand, this is the latest article on that website: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/mostly-peaceful-rioting-and-looting-is-helping-trumps-campaign.html
#2130
I think he's got it

#2131

sovnarkoman posted:

on the other hand, this is the latest article on that website: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/mostly-peaceful-rioting-and-looting-is-helping-trumps-campaign.html



yeah you gotta wonder the pathology that leads someone like this to defend the Kenosha Nazis

#2132
racist cops work with neo-Nazis to sow fear through violence: crazy, paranoid, insidious propaganda

street actions against racist cops are a pro-Trump conspiracy: rational, brilliant, esoteric super-truths
#2133
the comments section is also excellent. where else can you find gems like

mrbonesaw lured gen solemani to a waiting american missile at baghdad airport, he is a dead man walking. It will be a solemani missile but the iranians are afraid of committing any sin of terminating innocent lives of his entourage/bystanders, unlike the evil khazar,wasps and such.

sandwiched between a discussion of soviet hydrgen bomb tests and chris hedges articles.

#2134
MoA comment sections wildly swing from shit like a guy who writes about ballistic missile program systems like he’s on the inside, to people posting about the Jewish conspiracy to make everyone wear masks. The guy behind MoA thinks of himself as some principled anti-imperialist and then will write shit like that and also call Max Blumenthal a fraud.
#2135
moa pros: hates amerika, often collects useful links
moa cons: sortof a crank, is a crank magnet
#2136
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#2137
Yeah, dunno about what MoA is going on about there. But the recent post "NATO Lobby Acknowledges That Its Color Revolution Failed" is pretty interesting. I sometimes check out what these U.$. think tanks are putting out. There was a video the other day from the Hudson Institute, which is like the "Iran-Contra Institute," with an RFE/RL guy and an NGO type who seemed to be in the business of organizing theatre performances in Belarus. Well, they were sounding like they're not going to win, but are trying to keep the spigot flowing and the theatre organizer had a message for international investors which is (direct quote): "stay with us, and you will have the best conditions for your business."

There was also a part where the Hudson Institute guy is like "so whaddya need from us!? Sanctions? Some NGO stuff?" And they were like, yeah, all that stuff and we need RFE/RL to fire up in Belarusian, and we also need satphones... lots of satphones. It's interesting how open it is, and this was on YouTube, but there were only a few hundred views when I clicked on it. But it's very banal stuff, and very material. The sorta-crank stuff that bloggers get into might come from seeing wheels within wheels all the time, but these guys are just Bellingcat-like creeps trying to crack open Belarus with a crowbar so KKR & Co. can get in there and sell off the country's industries, and there's not a whole lot else to it.

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#2138
Someone online claims that these are the demands made by the opposition. These documents were supposedly stolen from the IMF desks:





note: "full privatization"

statement from related communist parties:

#2139

trakfactri posted:

Yeah, dunno about what MoA is going on about there.



he's going on about how he's an insane Nazi apologist because the truth doesn't fit his elaborate, stupid preexisting conspiracy theories where all opposition is a form of elaborate theater, therefore Nazis can't be working with cops, or cops themselves, because everyone who's fighting the cops is secretly working with or for the cops, so the Nazis must be innocent babies

#2140

cars posted:

elaborate, stupid preexisting conspiracy theories where all opposition is a form of elaborate theater, therefore Nazis can't be working with cops, or cops themselves, because everyone who's fighting the cops is secretly working with or for the cops, so the Nazis must be innocent babies


Abolish cracker ISIS to make way for the police

#2141
the blog "Moon of Alabama" is useful as an example of crypto-fascism, of objective pro-fascism wrapped in the thinnest veneer of anti-imperialism
#2142

shriekingviolet posted:

Abolish cracker ISIS to make way for the police

#2143
Hmm. Sounds pretty stupid
#2144

cars posted:

yeah you gotta wonder the pathology that leads someone like this to defend the Kenosha Nazis


cars posted:

the blog "Moon of Alabama" is useful as an example of crypto-fascism, of objective pro-fascism wrapped in the thinnest veneer of anti-imperialism


I think there's a white dude left-liberal isolationism in the U.$. that gets how Gene Sharp stuff works, and how a coup d'etat works, but sees imperialism as like a modernistic deviation from the classical liberal ideal rather than a necessary phase of capitalism. That post has this if/then proposition that uprisings "help" Donald Trump, so "if" they do that's therefore bad, which in a very blinkered way could be true because oppressed people taking militant action scares the shit out of Amerikan whites, but instead of thinking about why that is or seeing these things as an expression of a breakdown in a liberal order in freefall, which is both continued and perpetuated by Trump, MoA rejects uprisings in his country.

#2145
Ben Norton retweeted this




My only confusion is if this is a particularly American problem given the form of "anti-imperialism" of Settlers and Amerikan fascists or if all liberals turn into this to some degree when colonized nations revolt.
#2146

dimashq posted:

MoA comment sections wildly swing from ... people posting about the Jewish conspiracy




Kindly stop misusing "fascist" to mean "bad." As a National Socialist (an actual fascist) myself


I encourage you and others to read Thomas Dalton's recent translation of Mein Kampf (MK). Until Dalton, for reasons owing to historical accident and the overt bias of the translators, English-language translations of MK have been *atrociously* bad. Assuming you're being genuine when you say you've read it--in my experience, most haven't and are just parroting Jewish propaganda--this would explain why you think it was badly written.

#2147

sovnarkoman posted:

dimashq posted:

MoA comment sections wildly swing from ... people posting about the Jewish conspiracy


Kindly stop misusing "fascist" to mean "bad." As a National Socialist (an actual fascist) myself


I encourage you and others to read Thomas Dalton's recent translation of Mein Kampf (MK). Until Dalton, for reasons owing to historical accident and the overt bias of the translators, English-language translations of MK have been *atrociously* bad. Assuming you're being genuine when you say you've read it--in my experience, most haven't and are just parroting Jewish propaganda--this would explain why you think it was badly written.



that's funny. the dumbest fascists are the ones who explicitly identify as one these days, because they really think that there is some underlying ideology to be scholastic about. like, cool you sat through 1000 pages of mein kampf and evola, still makes you stupid as fuck

#2148
the moa comment section is the best

I suspect Bolton's weirdly misshapen head was caused by a botched forceps delivery which resulted in the impairment of the frontal lobes of his cerebral cortex. Damage to these lobes, especially if it occurs perinatally, impairs critical thought processing and often causes the person affected to develop pathological egotism, vindictiveness and fanaticism. He possibly has other deformities hidden under the large moustache. There are other causes of perinatally induced conduct disorder such as the mother smoking/drinking/taking drugs or being physically abused. It's an interesting subject.

Posted by: Guy Thornton | May 6, 2019 3:49:49 PM | 2

#2149
the MOA guy is what happens when you're not communist but still, against all odds, check original sources and eyewitness testimony yourself
#2150
lmao
#2151
#2152




this is Yahoo News which means it's a story drop by the CIA. i'd hesitate to call this a "limited hangout" even, the Democrat "news junkie" = CIA fanboy equation is so sound at this point that this is probably just a puff piece by CIA public relations, demanding credit where credit is due.

note the superfluous five-man anonymous sourcing cited from the "intelligence community".
#2153
Trying to imagine how the "CIA trains Kiev's 666th White-Power Wiccan Brigade at Pineland" story could possibly have an audience of Russian leadership during the current talks, as if Moscow wouldn't assume that already or that they'd be swayed by this story in any way... If that's really why the CIA rolled out five people "familiar" with the "secret" program to talk to Yahoo News, of all the sorry companies in receivership, it's got to be just the laziest clock-punching at the Company. Someone hitting their boss with a PowerPoint that week about "waging information warfare through multiple vectors".
#2154
It was either npr or some other nondescript news reporting I heard in the background around the office: but they (reporters talking to each other) were saying that the “russian media” was all claiming that the ukrainian government was a corrupt authoritarian mess that only grabbed, and has been able to maintain, power thanks to support from the cia.

Hearing that within a few days of this story getting pushed by yahoo.cia.com made me think of the kind of pedantic “fact checking” reporting that has gotten so prevalent in the current social media environment:
“Fact checkers show Russian media claims that have been pushed by conspiracy theorists of secret cia backing of Ukrainian government are false”
Anyone bothering to follow the link and read through 10 paragraphs of the most sleep inducing writing will find in the fine print last paragraph of the anonymous “fact checkers” comments: “cia support of US allies security forces, including ukriane, has been well reported in media”
#2155

solidar posted:

It was either npr or some other nondescript news reporting I heard in the background around the office: but they (reporters talking to each other) were saying that the “russian media” was all claiming that the ukrainian government was a corrupt authoritarian mess that only grabbed, and has been able to maintain, power thanks to support from the cia.

Hearing that within a few days of this story getting pushed by yahoo.cia.com made me think of the kind of pedantic “fact checking” reporting that has gotten so prevalent in the current social media environment:
“Fact checkers show Russian media claims that have been pushed by conspiracy theorists of secret cia backing of Ukrainian government are false”
Anyone bothering to follow the link and read through 10 paragraphs of the most sleep inducing writing will find in the fine print last paragraph of the anonymous “fact checkers” comments: “cia support of US allies security forces, including ukriane, has been well reported in media”


it's "cool" how snopes.com, the web site that used to be for checking the truth of some ridiculous claim from a chain email, is now filled with pages that are like 'did the cia arm contra forces in south america? status: false. american military advisors officially unaffiliated with the cia armed contra forces in south america'

#2156
bbc news yesterday was all about pre-announcing how russia was planning to do a manchuria incident in ukraine so i am currently expecting the cia to fake an already fake incident in ukraine.
#2157

tears posted:

bbc news yesterday was all about pre-announcing how russia was planning to do a manchuria incident in ukraine so i am currently expecting the cia to fake an already fake incident in ukraine.



yeah

#2158
That's one thing that would prove definitively we're in a new stage of alphabet-boy capture of the Western press, if the CIA could start a war in Donbass with an operation that was openly CIA, then convince everyone in the U.S. that it was a false flag operation by the Russians that had just been flawlessly planned and executed to look exactly like the CIA did it. If they made that work, there would really be no limit to what they could do in public. They could start openly assassinating U.S. politicians in broad daylight while wearing CIA ballcaps and T-shirts from the agency's 2021 barbecue-platter family day, because "everyone" would "know" that meant the filthy Slav was responsible.
#2159
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/16/russia-ukraine-gray-zone-warfare-autocrats-democracy-527022

#2160
has the war started