Superabound posted:

Imagine not being an extremely online eRevolutionary and having like a family and a job and a real, safe, simple, productive life and NOT wanting all of those things destroyed by orgiastic violence orchestrated by the CIA as retaliation for Trump pulling out of invading Syria. Imagine being that reatarted

Imagine logging back into your rhizzone account after a long absence just to complain that Black Lives Matter is stopping you from brutally owning the CIA by taking your family out for a quiet meal at the Cheesecake Factory

Superabound posted:

Imagine not being an extremely online eRevolutionary and having like a family and a job and a real, safe, simple, productive life and NOT wanting all of those things destroyed by orgiastic violence

damb i think id want that orgiastic violence more than ever

MarxUltor posted:

the city of seattle has exhausted its arsenal of chemical weapons

recession drove Starbucks out of business huh? things are finally looking up!

ilmdge posted:

seriously If the CIA is doing anything it’s sending their guy deray and his ilk in there to channel this situation into harmless liberal paper reforms.

just on this last point, it does seem like a lot of these protests are absolutely riddled with undercover cops and DNC operatives. i've seen lots of accounts of these creeps declaring themselves head organizers, meeting with pigs in secret, pied pipering marches into kettles, gas attacks, handcuffs etc, i know its nothing new but i'm quite heartened by how quick the backlash came to that pathetic 8cantwait proposal. black militant activists dismantling it in real time, in easy to read screengrabs for libs, every point dismissed. my (weak) hope is this kind of thing can become a necessary wake up slap to people who are marching now but still feel residual affection for obama. not saying it will turn them into soviets over night but pointing them towards further radicalisation can prove useful.

Completely unmarked officers in riot gear holding protesters blocks away from the White House. No badges. No insignias. No name tags. Nothing. Refused to tell us who they’re with. #DCprotest #DCprotests pic.twitter.com/c4lFFCsX48

— Ben Davis (@bdaviskc) June 4, 2020

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Superabound posted:

Imagine not being an extremely online eRevolutionary and having like a family and a job and a real, safe, simple, productive life and NOT wanting all of those things destroyed by orgiastic violence orchestrated by the CIA as retaliation for Trump pulling out of invading Syria. Imagine being that reatarted

Imagine logging back into your rhizzone account after a long absence just to complain that Black Lives Matter is stopping you from brutally owning the CIA by taking your family out for a quiet meal at the Cheesecake Factory

Great, nuanced political argument based on actual historicism and critical thought rather than pulled straight from GenX shitlib Facebook post Template #368753. 'grats

liceo posted:

edited just to recommend you to check this out before posting more vague nonsense

all those rich white college kids out there smashing up Somali-owned shop windows are more likely to have PLAYED Settlers than read it

Superabound posted:

MarxUltor posted:

Completely unmarked officers in riot gear holding protesters blocks away from the White House. No badges. No insignias. No name tags. Nothing. Refused to tell us who they’re with. #DCprotest #DCprotests pic.twitter.com/c4lFFCsX48

— Ben Davis (@bdaviskc) June 4, 2020

all white, middle aged, mostly overweight. Hair and facial hair on several don't appear to comply with any military/police grooming standards. Every single one on the front line has different equipment from the others. Vests, gloves, helmet, shields, mask, goggles, elbow pads, gas mask carrier, t-shirt and pants, the TACTICAL shit dangling all over the place. Some repeats sure because there's probably limited options but not a single thing standardized. I can't recall ever seeing pigs in the greyscale "urban camo" BDU pants the first 2 have, just black or brown. Not a single insignia, even the generic "police"

Even the guys in camo in the back look irregular although its harder to tell because of the focus, but I'm pretty sure there's several different vests and helmets visible back there too.

These are militia.

Reminder that these are the exact people who will end up patrolling every street in America once you abolish the police.

Well them, and Google, Amazon, and Apple's private, William Gibsonsonesque security forces. Every socialists wet dream lol

Superabound posted:

MarxUltor posted:


all white, middle aged, mostly overweight. Hair and facial hair on several don't appear to comply with any military/police grooming standards. Every single one on the front line has different equipment from the others. Vests, gloves, helmet, shields, mask, goggles, elbow pads, gas mask carrier, t-shirt and pants, the TACTICAL shit dangling all over the place. Some repeats sure because there's probably limited options but not a single thing standardized. I can't recall ever seeing pigs in the greyscale "urban camo" BDU pants the first 2 have, just black or brown. Not a single insignia, even the generic "police"

Even the guys in camo in the back look irregular although its harder to tell because of the focus, but I'm pretty sure there's several different vests and helmets visible back there too.

These are militia.



Reminder that these are the exact people who will end up patrolling every street in America once you abolish the police.

Well them, and Google, Amazon, and Apple's private, William Gibsonsonesque security forces. Every socialists wet dream lol

whats your proposed solution

ghostpinballer posted:

just on this last point, it does seem like a lot of these protests are absolutely riddled with undercover cops and DNC operatives. i've seen lots of accounts of these creeps declaring themselves head organizers, meeting with pigs in secret, pied pipering marches into kettles, gas attacks, handcuffs etc,

Deffo. Yeah there have been protests here every night but I've opted to stick with consider the following because they're at a level I want to be on, and some of these protests during the week were either liberal photo-ops or (possibly deliberate) disasters. A few nights ago someone led 700 people into a kettle on a bridge. Zip ties and bus rides for everyone!

Also what makes me the Optimist in that four-quadrant meme is seeing stuff like this. This town has such a reputation for being a sundown Klan town that when the call went out people did a double take. Like, Vidor? No way... this has got to be a setup or a trap. But no.

You know how bad you gotta fuck up for mutha fucking VIDOR to turn up for Black people!?!? https://t.co/Ot1RpDOsiU

— Flameo, Hotman! (@SeptimusFires) June 6, 2020

trakfactri posted:

A few nights ago someone led 700 people into a kettle on a bridge.

was it a dog wearing a cone?

MarxUltor posted:

These are militia.

i regrewt to inform you the militia are coming from inside the state dept building

politico posted:

To understand the police forces ringing Trump and the White House it helps to understand the dense and not-entirely-sensical thicket of agencies that make up the nation’s civilian federal law enforcement. With little public attention, notice and amid historically lax oversight, those ranks have surged since 9/11—growing by roughly 2,500 officers annually every year since 2000. To put it another way: Every year since the 2001 terrorist attacks, the federal government has added to its policing ranks a force larger than the entire Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Nearly all of these agencies are headquartered in and around the capital, making it easy for Attorney General William Barr to enlist them as part of his vast effort to “flood the zone” in D.C. this week with what amounts to a federal army of occupation, overseen from the FBI Washington area command post in Chinatown. Battalions of agents were mustered in the lobby of Customs and Border Protection’s D.C. headquarters—what in normal times is the path to a food court for federal workers. The Drug Enforcement Administration has been given special powers to enable it to surveil protesters. It is the heaviest show of force in the nation’s capital since the protests and riots of the Vietnam War.
As large as the public show of force on D.C.’s streets has turned out to be—Bloomberg reported Thursday that the force includes nearly 3,000 law enforcement—it still represents only a tiny sliver of the government’s armed agents and officers. The government counts up its law enforcement personnel only every eight years, and all told, at last count in 2016, the federal government employed over 132,000 civilian law enforcement officers—only about half of which come from the major “brand name” agencies like the FBI, ATF, Secret Service, DEA and CBP. The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which serves as the general academy for federal agencies who don’t have their own specialized training facilities, lists around 80 different agencies whose trainees pass through its doors in Georgia, from the IRS’ criminal investigators and the Transportation Security Administration's air marshals to the Offices of the Inspector General for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the Railroad Retirement Board. Don’t forget the armed federal officers at the Environmental Protection Agency or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Office of Law Enforcement, whose 150 agents investigate conservation crime like the Tunas Convention Act of 1975 (16 USC § 971-971k) and the Northern Pacific Halibut Act of 1982 (16 USC § 773-773k).
In and around D.C., there are more than a score of agency-specific federal police forces, particularly downtown where protests have played out over the past week, nearly every block brings you in contact with a different police force. A morning run around the National Mall and Capitol Hill might see you cross through the jurisdictions of the federal U.S. Capitol Police, the Park Police, the National Gallery of Art police, the Smithsonian Office of Protective Services, the Postal police, Amtrak police, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing police, the Supreme Court police, the Uniformed Division of the Secret Service, the Government Publishing Office police, and the Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Protective Service. (Only recently did the Library of Congress police merge with the Capitol Police across the street into one unit.) Run a bit farther and you might encounter the FBI Police or the U.S. Mint police. And that’s not even counting the multistate Metro Transit police and the local D.C. Metropolitan Police.
The public has little understanding or appreciation for the size of some of these agencies, each of which has its own protocols, training, hiring guidelines and responsibilities. On the lighter side, few tourists know, for instance, that the National Gallery of Art—home to some of the world’s most famous artwork—has a shooting range for its police tucked away above its soaring central rotunda. On the darker side, the roughly 20,000 federal prison guards known formally as the Bureau of Prisons—whose riot units make up a sizable chunk of the officers imported to D.C. and who represent the single largest component of federal officers in the Justice Department—are concerning to see on the streets in part because they’re largely untrained in civilian law enforcement; they normally operate in a controlled environment behind bars with sharply limited civil liberties and use-of-force policies that would never fly in a civilian environment.
There are more gun-carrying agents employed across the federal government by inspectors general—the quasi-independent watchdogs responsible for rooting out fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars—than there are ATF agents nationwide; the roughly 4,000 inspector general agents nationwide, in fact, is roughly equivalent to the entire size of the DEA. The Department of Veterans Affairs’ police department, who guard the nation’s veteran hospitals, facilities and cemeteries, is larger than the entire U.S. Marshals Service.
Beyond those 132,000 federal civilian law enforcement, the U.S. has tens of thousands of military law enforcement officers, including military police units and investigators like the 2,000 agents of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, the 1,200 agents of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service or the 900 agents of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division. Plus, the 40,000 armed personnel of the U.S. Coast Guard, which has broad law enforcement powers on the nation’s rivers, lakes and oceans, but is counted as part of the military.
Then there are the officers who can be spotted across Northern Virginia in white marked patrol vehicles labeled only as “United States Police,” the purposefully vague public name given to what is formally known as the CIA’s Security Protective Services, who provide security to the CIA and the Office of Director of National Intelligence. They carry weapons, but have limited law enforcement authority. (As one agent told me, only half-joking, “We can’t arrest you, but we can kill you.”)

The rise of so many specialized federal forces—and so many federal law enforcement officers overall—is a relatively recent phenomenon; the FBI was unarmed until the mid-1930s and modern incarnations of the DEA and ATF, for example, were only founded in the 1970s, as part of President Richard Nixon’s law and order push. Historically, it’s not altogether surprising that many of the personnel on D.C.’s streets this week have come from the Border Patrol and the Bureau of Prisons, which have long served as the nation’s “surge” national police force.
What is surprising is that those two agencies now facing down Black Lives Matter and crowds protesting systemic racism historically have been enlisted by the federal government to protect blacks against white protesters. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, for instance, deputized officers from the Border Patrol and the Bureau of Prisons to work as U.S. marshals and secure the University of Mississippi in 1962 to protect James Meredith as he enrolled at the school after desegregation. Similarly, the Border Patrol once watched over the Freedom Riders in Alabama and Mississippi in the 1960s.

The Covid-19 pandemic has even spawned what will apparently be the nation’s newest federal investigator: The Senate confirmed on Tuesday a special inspector general to oversee the $500 billion pandemic recovery spending. He, presumably, will be recruiting his own agents and equipment soon.

Fun fact: The vast majority of the total arrests made by the Pentagon police, formally known as the Pentagon Force Protection Agency, are for drunk driving. Roughly every two or three days, an intoxicated driver gets lost in the maze of interstate roads around the Defense Department headquarters and takes a wrong turn into one of its parking lots. Such incidents account for as many as four out of five arrests the PFPA make annually.