swampman posted:Petrol posted:we simply disagree that it 'glorifies' nazis. its nazis are a muddled and not really successful combination of dopey caricature and, at times, humanity.
compared to what fascists actually are, this is glorification
a dog has never been fascist, nor a fish, nor a robot. i don't see how pretending fascists aren't human helps fight fascism, except in an actual war setting, in which case by all means dehumanise and face to bloodshed
Petrol posted:swampman posted:Petrol posted:we simply disagree that it 'glorifies' nazis. its nazis are a muddled and not really successful combination of dopey caricature and, at times, humanity.
compared to what fascists actually are, this is glorification
a dog has never been fascist, nor a fish, nor a robot. i don't see how pretending fascists aren't human helps fight fascism, except in an actual war setting, in which case by all means dehumanise and face to bloodshed
But the characters are humanised (neglect their fascist beliefs) in precisely the scenario which the strongest arguments against fascism are premissed upon. Also when communists win they shoot children. That's a strong case for a movie being fascist propaganda, even though fascist humanity and communists shooting children are both real. I haven't seen the movie.
Bablu posted:nah yaar lekin udhar tak dikhta hair janmsthaan sey, so maybe technically
mera dono bablu naam ka dost waha se hai hence why I was curious lol
sovnarkoman posted:imagine watching a taika waititi movie lol
this is even dumber than anything swampman has said in this thread
Dancing atop moving buses causes accidents.
tears posted:
god dammn this still makes me crack up lol
vimingok posted:FTR I wasn't implying it's wrong to enjoy art interpretable as malicious propaganda.
Dancing atop moving buses causes accidents.
Also FTR the dancing bit was meant as a joke, obviously the real issue with it is normalising rape culture like the rest of Indian media. If meant for Northern Indian audiences add Hindutva fascism, of late invigorated and polished up for expats and the native urban IT castes with the country's life blood.
Petrol posted:sovnarkoman posted:imagine watching a taika waititi movie lol
this is even dumber than anything swampman has said in this thread
sorry i recently tried watching that vampire movie that won him acclaim in the first place and it was outrageously boring i guess i am still bitter about that lol, didnt mean to get involved in the whole jojo and head hitler in cinema discussion
Petrol posted:i didn't even think the film was good (and said as much in my first post about it) but the reaction to me defending it as Not Mein Kampf has me wanting to peace the fuck out of this forum for real. if i wanted to deal with angry boneheaded takes about mass media i would never have left twitter, but i did, many years ago, because that shit is toxic and pointless. so i am going to stop posting in this thread now and focus on finishing up my Q&A thread in the pdf forum and then i'll think about my future here
Having anchored that sense of loss and pain to the door, you can trigger it whenever needed. Whatever negative behavior may come up that you want to stop, the first time you just get up and slam the door. Whether you walk out the door depends on the level of bullshit. On later occasions you can just indicate tbe door in some manner. The example Alex gives: If he's talking on the phone and getting any crap from her, and he knows the relation of where the door is to her desk, he says, "sweetheart, could you please turn right and take a look at what's over there.." and that was the end of the bullshit."
sovnarkoman posted:i recently tried watching that vampire movie that won him acclaim in the first place and it was outrageously boring
yeah i didn't get the fuss over that either. watch 'boy' and/or 'hunt for the wilderpeople'
Petrol posted:i don't see how pretending fascists aren't human helps fight fascism, except in an actual war setting,
https://www.military.com/base-guide/browse-by-service
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/birth-defects-plague-iraq-10-years-us-invasion/story?id=18793428
http://www.arrestrecords.com/the-28-most-dangerous-prisons-in-america/
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-massive-naval-blockade-could-bring-china-its-knees-war-50957
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/02/15/defend-the-white-race-american-extremists-being-co-opted-by-ukraines-far-right/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/syrian-killed-rare-clash-troops-government-forces-200212151039111.html
https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-clears-oakland-to-evict-homeless-from-camp/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-files-2000-leaked-reports-reveal-scale-of-abuse-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention
https://humaneborders.org/migrant-death-mapping/
https://laborrights.org/blog/201509/impunity-honduras-–-will-chiquita-take-stand
i cant believe there is so much violence, and the war hasnt even started yet
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swampman posted:Having anchored that sense of loss and pain to the door, you can trigger it whenever needed. Whatever negative behavior may come up that you want to stop, the first time you just get up and slam the door. Whether you walk out the door depends on the level of bullshit. On later occasions you can just indicate tbe door in some manner. The example Alex gives: If he's talking on the phone and getting any crap from her, and he knows the relation of where the door is to her desk, he says, "sweetheart, could you please turn right and take a look at what's over there.." and that was the end of the bullshit."
I get excited when I read a new book too
filler posted:I get excited when I read a new book too
Thats a goons.txt item from like 15 years ago. "Careful with that one it's an antique" would be more appropriately dismissive in this case
is this not the :assadcurse: manifest before our very eyes?
swampman posted:Well, it was controlling behavior actually, threatening me with the loss of your online friendship to make me feel bad about confidently defending my opinion. Maybe you didn't calculate it like that but that's how it came out. Also, you referred to my arguing with you as "shitting" on you. I think the final move of withholding the very valuable resource of all your past and future posts from the entire community is in line with this. I invite you to re read what I have posted in the last two pages and remind me what I said that seemed intended to elicit your unhappy reaction - I am happy to self criticize if I've been disingenuously goading you.
1) Clearly I have been overreacting, that is borne out by my now-deleted outburst. Part of the reason has nothing to do with you, there is stuff happening irl right now that is putting me under psychological pressure of a kind that is bound to make subconscious pressure points more sensitive and my reactions less rational. I am feeling more raw than I realised. I am responsible for all this and again I apologise.
2) My desire to leave at a time like this is quite genuine and mirrors how I have felt on other occasions during my time on this site, when disagreements with comrades have got out of hand and I have taken things personally. The present incident, minor in the scheme of things, felt like the straw that broke the camel's back - if this place keeps having this effect on me, maybe it's best I leave. And I don't feel comfortable about my posts surviving the end of my posting career here, an impulse for privacy. But I recognise that the way I've communicated my wishes has come across as an abusive threat and that probably reflects a thoughtless intention on my part to lash out in my hurt. So I apologise for that too.
3) What upset me was your insistence on sticking to what I thought was an obviously hyperbolic line even after I objected and thought I was making it clear you were upsetting me, because to me the implication was that I was wilfully boosting nazi propaganda, and more to the point, you seemed to be enjoying making me feel like shit - that was what felt like you 'shitting on me'. An overreaction on my part, yes. But if you want to self crit about anything maybe examine your sensitivity towards the feelings of fellow posters. And if I showed no outward signs of what I was really feeling then you did nothing wrong, and I once again apologise.
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