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bless u cars for helping me never feel guilty w serial posting
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someone once told me to stop posting... since that day i have known that i will never stop posting, that i will die with a third clarification to a post about hologram wives in progress as my weeping hologram wife tries futilely to lift the bloated bulk of my mutant thumb from the screen.
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time to relitigate third period vs popular front itt
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sovnarkoman posted:

time to relitigate third period vs popular front itt



The most important distinction of popular front policies is whether communists are going to be able to take a leading position nationally or internationally when those movements are successful

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mods, the title of this thread slanders this forum as a hive of Democrats. please change it to “DSA=CIA” as mathematically proven in my latest thread.
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cars posted:

the title of this thread slanders


bernie slanders

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swampman posted:



Shameful, he jinxed himself.

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BERNIE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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the fact that the deep state has almost gone mask off over an otherwise totally bog standard Republican president because of moderate disruptions to trans-Pacific trade, a slight delay to a weapons shipment, and embarrassing tweets makes me think that although they could easily obstruct a Sanders administration into Syriza-like impotentency or simply accommodate him as FDR 2, they are in fact too paranoid and narcissistic to take it that easy. they will at least do what they've been doing the last three years and possibly just murder the man which would be clarifying and instructive for everyone. Bernie 2020
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bernie sanders as the accelerationist candidate is a hot take
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bernard sanders 1941-2020
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remember how all the cynics were convinced obama would just be assassinated in the first year but oops turned out he just went full neoliberal at the first opportunity. bernie, being slightly more left, will just embrace the class collaborationism of all socdems when they gain state power which means tepid means tested reforms and silent continuation of imperialism. honestly the alphabet boys would probably prefer him over trump because of its predictability (and the fact that he's been in elekkkted office with a security clearance for decades)
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Alphabet brass is one thing, and they may very well be more amenable to an FDR type resolution to escalating class contradictions, but I don't see how capital in the US would ever acquiesce to a Sanders presidency. Particularly in a climate where they don't feel much pressure from below.. It seems like they'd pull out all the stops, legal and extralegal to kneecap him before he got into office and even vaguely threatened their profits. Even if it would make more sense to compromise (in a SocDem direction), I think the bulk of Amerikan capital has shown time and time again how absolutely shortsighted they are in the past few decades. And they can pull levers in the "intelligence community", too.
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no need to pull out stops. they just take em down to the et base under mount weather & have the aliens 3d print a fresh copy then mulch the original, just like w barry
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Bernie has always been one of those guys that does all the propaganda work of denouncing anyone that mildly threatens US imperialism then going all shocked pikachu face when the bombs start dropping

Or in the case of Yugoslavia, wildly cheering the bombs dropping

https://www.leftvoice.org/not-on-our-side-on-bernie-sanders-and-imperialism

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ialdabaoth posted:

no need to pull out stops


*deliberately pulling out all the stops on my pipe organ*

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aerdil posted:

remember how all the cynics were convinced obama would just be assassinated in the first year but oops turned out he just went full neoliberal at the first opportunity. bernie, being slightly more left, will just embrace the class collaborationism of all socdems when they gain state power which means tepid means tested reforms and silent continuation of imperialism. honestly the alphabet boys would probably prefer him over trump because of its predictability (and the fact that he's been in elekkkted office with a security clearance for decades)


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Alphabet brass is one thing, and they may very well be more amenable to an FDR type resolution to escalating class contradictions, but I don't see how capital in the US would ever acquiesce to a Sanders presidency.



"how" is, because Sanders is no real threat to capitalists and Sanders is, objectively, of benefit to capitalists as a pseudo-socialist recuperationist, he's just not preferable to certain alternatives that are currently available.

it would be better for them for Sanders to stay where he is, vacuuming up and neutralizing potential resistance, but they'll settle for him if he doesn't piss off their enforcement apparatus as Trump did early on, and he's a U.S. senator, so he probably won't.

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It's their perception of him as a threat (in spite of his simply being a New Deal Democrat) that would lead them to put their thumbs on the scale, I think. Particularly those in industries which would stand to lose from even extremely watered-down reforms (if he were able to get any through Congress, something I have doubts about as well) even if he would be good for their long-term longevity and the imperialist project generally. In any case I am looking forward to another train wreck of an election to see what level of pessimism and horror is warranted for the future.
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spacegaucho posted:

It's their perception of him as a threat (in spite of his simply being a New Deal Democrat) that would lead them to put their thumbs on the scale, I think. Particularly those in industries which would stand to lose from even extremely watered-down reforms (if he were able to get any through Congress, something I have doubts about as well) even if he would be good for their long-term longevity and the imperialist project generally. In any case I am looking forward to another train wreck of an election to see what level of pessimism and horror is warranted for the future.


Don't see how a 21st c New Deal can be good for imperialism. Who and what's left to conquer and exploit anew? Keep in mind that profits aren't resources. The most profitable enterprises (like SP500 tech) right now don't generate any surplus value/resources. 1st world consumption of their products is enabled by cheap 3rd world labor & resources suppressing other costs of living, and of the supporting infrastructure. Not to mention consumption by the 2nd & 3rd -world labour aristocracies - urban middle classes comprising 5%< of e.g. China & India.

In fact ramping up imperial-core consumption via socdem redistribution will require confronting globalist capitalism/imperialism far more radically than anything Trump & Sanders & their supporters envision let alone are likely to attempt. And let's be brutally honest here - such a confrontation cannot be leftist in any sense. Trumpism is the illusion of it and a decent enough one so far albeit somewhat unstable and culturally hostile towards coastal communist trillionaires. Maybe Warren/Sanders is better for a recession.

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vimingok posted:

Don't see how a 21st c New Deal can be good for imperialism.


I think that it's only good for imperialism insofar as it could restrain capital's worst impulses domestically, and avert more overt class conflict within the US, reduce rent-seeking behaviors etc. That being said I really don't see it happening, because I don't think a Sanders presidency would be allowed to occur in the first place. Maybe you're right about a recession though, one is in the cards anyway. Better to pin it on someone ostensibly socialist and then get a really brutal reactionary in in 2024.