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http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/10/12/not-good-news/
#2
oh fuck
#3
rest in fucking peace
#4
you're only 63 norm, plenty of years ahead of you. mandela got out of prison at like 70.
#5
whats he been charged with?
#6
this fucking klan state is gonna try to do to him what they did to lynne stewart, intentionally or unintentionally. i dont know what he was arrested for, but i will be signing up for whatever updates people put together on his case. please share some of his speaking engagements you found instructive, helpful, good, or whatever so that comrades who are unfamiliar with him have a chance to become familiar with him. his position on BDS notwithstanding hes been one of the main voices in the US speaking on the harm Israel consistently does to Palestine and we don't need to lose any more elders in our community.

#7
I dont understand this beef
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#12
rip, to thos who died.
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A couple years ago I was involved in hosting a large speaking event here for Norman as part of israeli apartheid week, he has a real mastery of live speech and maintains a remarkable amount of control in the face of opposition. His arguments are so cogent, spoken with such a combination of carefully assembled evidence and compassionate conviction that he actually convinced some of the people who had shown up just to scream at him. He helped to catalyze a real lasting base of Palestinian solidarity in this city, alongside of course the long suffering efforts of local organizers. He's a hero to me and this news is really upsetting, wish we had more information. Hoping for his safety.
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toyotathon posted:

family court claims another



this is possibly unironically true. also wow this article is something i have a lot of mixed feelings on.

"Apparently a former immigrant night school student of his named Rudolph Baldeo who went on to be an MD is involved in pretty acrimonious divorce proceedings involving claims of spousal abuse"

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/10/12/mens-rights-matter-systemic-corruption-in-the-divorce-industry/

The matter then spilled in to the criminal justice arena when Dr. Finkelstein began to confront the lawyers. He informed them of his intention to write an article exposing what in his view was perjured testimony. They did not deny the factual content of the draft he sent them. Rather, the attorneys wrote to Dr. B.’s lawyers and not to Dr. Finkelstein, saying publication would harm him (Dr. B.) personally and professionally. Soon thereafter Dr. Finkelstein was arrested, jailed overnight and made subject to a restraining order. By this stage the discomfort and confusion were acute.



the left has finally gotten to a (correct) position where we politically side with women in sexual assault, DV and divorce cases, who are pretty unlikely to lie due to the often far greater consequences for speaking out about their abuser. in general, juries themselves often dont believe rape or sexual assault claims, and theyre rarely prosecuted by district attorneys. however, i cant really say that people dont do theatrics in court; criminal defense attorneys are often forced to do that, though its not usually something that will get you outright disbarred. the case is a family court matter though, not a criminal one, and civil cases have a far lower standard of proof. its also possible that this author is lying, or is a third-party who has been informed by someone involved. it also still doesnt actually tell us what Dr Finkelstein was arrested for, or if this is the arrest he was most recently arrested for! i have no idea how to interpret this or whether to believe the story the article paints. very irritating.

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shriekingviolet posted:

wish we had more information


monkey's paw rides again :/

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Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

you're only 63 norm, plenty of years ahead of you. mandela got out of prison at like 70.



Maybe in your reality

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#18
i find it funny (and sad) that professors like george ciccariello-maher and norman finkelstein don't seem to promote one another, despite both being ostracized from academia for being too real
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as best I can figure out, finkelstein was arrested for writing a bunch of letters or emails to the lawyers who were involved in the divorce case mentioned earlier, on the side opposite his friend/student. the claim seems to be that finkelstein's letters/emails constituted some kind of harassment of the lawyers.
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is arrest something that would usually happen in a case like that?
#22
here's a thing

I. Dr Rudolph Baldeo appeared in Court on Wednesday, 04 October 2017. He had been served with an Order of Contempt by the contemptible Michael Chetkof and Allyson Burger. The judge, Hon. Stacy D. Bennett, was eminently fair and compassionate. Indeed, she registered in open court a unique concern with Dr Baldeo’s plight. If Judge Bennett continues to uphold the principles of Truth and Justice in the face of Chetkof and Burger’s pit bull tactics, a reasonable resolution might be within reach.

*****

II. I must appear in Court on Tuesday, 10 October 2017, regarding the incident on 6 September 2017. A member of the UN High Commission on Human Rights has unexpectedly intervened in my case. He has expressed concern about my apparent “arbitrary arrest.” I was asked to describe what happened. Here’s my account (a few points have been omitted to protect the innocent):

1. I was arrested on 6 September 2017.

2. Two police detectives barged into my apartment at 11:30 p.m.

3. [omitted]

4. [omitted]

5. The detectives demanded that I sit on a rickety coffee table in my foyer that comes up to my kneecap. They wouldn’t let me sit on a chair.

6. I was handcuffed as I left my apartment building in order to humiliate me in front of my neighbors.

7. I was transported to a police precinct located fully one hour from where I live. I was handcuffed the entire trip and was in agonizing pain. (I am 64 years old.)

8. I was handcuffed to a pole for five hours in the police precinct while the detective filled out a single-paged form.

9. I was then thrown into an overcrowded jail cell and had to sleep on a stone floor. I asked for a blanket as I was freezing but the request was denied.

10. I was brought before a judge at 11:00 a.m.

11. I was served with an Order of Protection forbidding me to have any contact for one year with the two opposing lawyers, Michael Chetkof and Allyson Burger.

12. The police alleged that I was harassing Chetkof and Burger by constantly emailing them.

13. The allegation is a flat-out lie. Every email I sent to Chetkof and Burger and their colleagues had appended at the head:



Note: I am writing each of you in your private capacity and not as members of a law firm. If you want me to remove you from this ListServe, just email me and I will immediately oblige. (This formulation was recommended and approved by the ACLU to protect this writer from future claims of online harassment.)



14. If Chetkof and Burger didn’t want to receive my emails, they merely had to inform me, and I most certainly would have ceased writing them.

15. They had me arrested in order to intimidate me into silence.

16. This is not the first time Chetkof and Burger tried to intimidate me. When I informed them that I was writing an article to expose their racist shakedown of Dr Rudolph Baldeo, Chetkof threatened to “open Pandora’s Box” and destroy Dr Baldeo “Personally and Professionally” unless I desisted.

17. Because of the Order of Protection, I can no longer accompany Dr Baldeo to Court. They want to isolate him in Court so they can terrorize him into submission.

18. [omitted]

19. I must appear in Court again on 10 October 2017. It is possible that I will again be thrown into jail.

20. I am not afraid. My late parents survived five years in Hitler’s death camps. I will survive a Long Island jail cell.

21. I will not be browbeaten into abandoning Dr Baldeo in his Moment of Truth.



*****

III. Yesterday (05 October), I sent the letter below to Chetkof and Burger’s law partners:

William B Saltzman and Lee Rosenberg,



You are perhaps aware that yesterday ‘s court hearing was not a banner day for Michael Chetkof and Allyson Burger. Hon. Stacy D. Bennett was eminently fair and compassionate. Indeed, Judge Bennett signaled in open court a unique solicitude for Dr Baldeo’s plight.

The tide has turned.

I have repeatedly warned you that you will never prevail against me. You do not possess my intelligence, integrity, courage, stamina, or conviction. But most important of all, I have arrayed in my arsenal the invincible weapons of Truth and Justice. That is why 3,000 people worldwide have signed the petition calling for the disbarment of Chetkof and Burger; that is why the UN High Commission on Human Rights has intervened; that is why an internationally renowned journalist is writing an article on this case (see attachment, cc’d to me this morning).

I have repeatedly warned you to settle this case before Chetkof and Burger drag you over the precipice with them. I of course want to resolve this matter so as to move beyond the sleazy, smarmy, sordid, squalid machinations of Long Island matrimonial lawyers. But it is literally inconceivable that I will abandon Dr Baldeo in his Moment of Truth. However long it takes, however much time it consumes, I will be at his side until and unless his dignity is restored. Dr Baldeo currently resides in his parents’ attic and all his belongings are stored in the boiler room, while his ex-wife demands $250 per month for her “beauty parlor,” $500 per month for her “beauty aids,” and $4550 per month for food. That will not stand! I was Dr Baldeo’s professor when he first came to the US penniless and labored as a shipping clerk. I watched in awe as this guileless and brilliant student, struggling and sweating (like Jewish immigrants of yore), climbed one by one each rung on the ladder of success. I was there at each of his graduations to celebrate his hard-won achievements. But—woe to that ghastly day!—I was also personally witness when all of Dr Baldeo’s life’s earnings were swiped from him in broad daylight by two thieving lawyers, who concocted the monstrous lie that he had committed “countless” acts of “unspeakable” violence against his wife over a quarter century. If this allegation contained even a jot of truth, why couldn’t Burger and Chetkof adduce a single document—a single police record, a single medical record, a single witness affidavit, a single counseling record—to corroborate it?

It is my understanding that Dr Baldeo will be writing you. He is ready to settle and get on with his life. I emphatically do not agree with his terms. Dr Baldeo is generous to an absurd fault, but that is his nature, naively forgiving and forgetting–it is also what makes him so endearing and admirable a human being.

You should think hard about where things are now headed as you contemplate your response to Dr Baldeo’s olive branch.



Sincerely,



Professor Norman G Finkelstein



P.S. You should also advise the District Attorney that the UN High Commission on Human Rights is monitoring my case. The DA might decide it’s the better part of prudence to drop the charges now before I show up in court. It is surely cause for curiosity, not to say incredulity, how it came to pass that a 64-year-old professor was dragged at midnight from his apartment in Coney Island, Brooklyn in handcuffs, transported all the way to Hempstead Long Island an hour away, and held overnight in an overcrowded freezing cell where he had to sleep on a stone floor, on account of an email correspondence that he had offered on request to cease.

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/10/06/michael-chetkof-and-allyson-burger-day-of-judgment-approaches/
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man i didnt know who this guy and clicked on the thread assuming it was a made up racist name for harvey weinstein

like i was gonna post "hey i dont like this harvey weinstein character but can we cool it with the fake jewish names, hey?". like i'm a good guy over here. boy is my face red
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i know i shouldn't be surprised but it feels like there must be some missing piece of this story. did a law firm really just get the cops to pointlessly brutalize an old man because he sent them a strongly worded letter?


actually now that i say it out loud thats exactly what happened isnt it
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I for one am enthused & excited by the injection of Francis E. Dec's soul into Norman Finkelstein, Exorcist III style, to help him defend an abusive husband. Can't get behind the existence of cops though.
#28

kamelred posted:

i know i shouldn't be surprised but it feels like there must be some missing piece of this story. did a law firm really just get the cops to pointlessly brutalize an old man because he sent them a strongly worded letter?


actually now that i say it out loud thats exactly what happened isnt it


maybe he was pissing them off talking about how he was gonna call in the UN or how hes a professor thats smarter than they are, causing them to want to "put him in his place" so to speak

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ilmdge posted:

kamelred posted:

i know i shouldn't be surprised but it feels like there must be some missing piece of this story. did a law firm really just get the cops to pointlessly brutalize an old man because he sent them a strongly worded letter?


actually now that i say it out loud thats exactly what happened isnt it

maybe he was pissing them off talking about how he was gonna call in the UN or how hes a professor thats smarter than they are, causing them to want to "put him in his place" so to speak



Reading his letter I can't help but be reminded of the description of the Kathy Boudin and other white people claiming PoW status in False Nationalism, False Internationalism. Obviously Finkelstein shouldn't be in jail but his attitude has always been patronizing and dismissive towards the proletarian movement outside his lectures. The day has passed when Finkelsteins and Chomskys were necessary if they ever were, it's sort of appropriate that his arrest is over something completely random and minor instead of the anti-zionist movement which has left him behind. Also both figures are anti-communists which we can't forget out of convenience.

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https://www.change.org/p/janet-difiore-chief-judge-of-the-state-of-new-york-norman-g-finkelstein-must-walk-free
#32
whither norm
#33

karphead posted:

whither norm


He lives! Lots of video of a living norm follow this twitter item

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#35

Caesura109 posted:

Nothing has brought me out of my depression about Gaza more than listening to him talk passionately about Gazans' right to fight and kill the zionist SS torturing and murdering them daily. Im glad people like him exist. We really need to tear down the existing media somehow, its built to crush those with dissident views.



he appeared on the intercept podcast this week, really have to say listening to him did the same for my morale as it did for yours. he's fearless.

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really enjoying the dudes who sincerely are arguing "israel is only shooting ululating hamas berzerkers" in the face of dozens of videos showing otherwise
#38
the new Chapo is legit Good on this imo sorry they dont defend north korea or whatever
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