AZ_IZ_OT posted:That right to land and its Lockean counterpart are indistinguishable from each other absent the proper context of a functioning state apparatus through which to draw a differentiation in intent. I'll contend that most people are not even aware of a difference between the two.
What are you talking about? Practically all significant struggles for national self-determination occur have occurred in the absence of a functioning state apparatus. the instances in which national self-determination has resulted in state formation has been the effort of protracted struggles of stateless peoples for self-determination. these states did not exist somehow prior to such assertions of nationhood, they necessarily followed it
AZ_IZ_OT posted:it looked like people handed over authority to tribal elders without real cause,
it's their fucking land. sorry if you think being a citizen of Planet Earth or some other fluffy environmentalist bullshit allows you to pull rank but if you want to help protect native land you better fucking fall in line behind native leaders and put your shit meaningfully on the line, not spout pseudo-intellectual nonsense in a pathetic attempt to mock them
pogfan1996 posted:These kinds of discussions can be significantly more useful and productive by focusing on how there was a vacuum of revolutionary leadership and building for future conflicts
sure we could talk about COINTELPRO, managed dissent, the escalating militarization of the suppression & disruption tactics employed against civilians, and good security culture. move on to organizing people around concrete goals, maintaining party discipline, cultivating organizational resiliency and sustaining the pursuit of long term strategic aims.
OR we could brew up a big ole mug of something warm, slip in a little somethin to take the edge off, and watch AZ_IZ_OT vomit up a markov chain of smug jargon insisting that we're The Real Racists.
personally, i'm in the mood for something lighthearted and fun.
http://www.thejournal.ie/donald-trump-us-climate-change-deal-3422042-Jun2017/
And the liberals might say, hey, what about the states that have a good environmental track record, and all their wealthy individuals are building windmills and solar panels because their citizens strongly believe in climate change. Well, I would say, first of all, they are nowhere near close enough to to meeting targets that would realistically keep our planet from cooking. Second, how much of their environmental baggage is shipped off to developing countries. third, how many of these companies have sister corporations or investors that have interests in fossil fuel industries.
I know i'm preaching to the choir here. but I just don't understand how someone can claim to understand so much about climate change,but never go as far as criticizing capitalism. it's all laid out there for you. god damn it.look you dummies! this whole idea of endless growth and consumption is actually bad. and they way to solve climate change.... is not more consumption and growth. FUCK
What do you mean my lifestyle is causing an extinction level event? Yes, I know climate change is awful. that's why i voted democrat. i am making a difference. If it wasn't for trump we would be.fa dhueb893gq3q24h80g4o3H89fqh89fp89[w34i[3th8i2th8i3qh834[qu89034[qfh34qhg89[34h8t4io
this is 14 years away—an average of 20 climate models, representing the Palmer drought index. two decades from now, earth is a dust bowl pic.twitter.com/VaRvvOoKcH
— BEO Speedwulf (@crulge) June 2, 2017
study can be found here http://www.climatechange-foodsecurity.org/uploads/Drought_review_Dai_11.pdf
Keven posted:Wow look how much of the scary graph is red!!!!!! oh red is a minus 4 on a scale that goes to minus 20, hmmm.
Right Keven. If the scale goes to 20, -4 can't posisbly be very much under any circumstances.
Keven posted:Wow look how much of the scary graph is red!!!!!! oh red is a minus 4 on a scale that goes to minus 20, hmmm.
Wow you really owned that grapgh
roseweird posted:hey posted:this whole idea of endless growth and consumption is actually bad
reachfor the stars
that's where it gets better. there are people. real god damn people. that honestly believe that one of the solutions to climate change and resource depletion is space travel and science fiction. Silicon valley liberals (really all liberal engineers it seems) have so much faith in the fast evolving tech offered by fuckos like musk that they think the solution is going to magically appear. That climate change is just a matter of enough sleeper pods, games room, candy machines, hard work, long hours, open concept spaces, and venture capitalists to figure this out. You want to talk about denial. That's fucking denial. The poor ass republican from rural Louisiana that never graduated high school that doesn't believe in climate change isn't the problem. you are the problem. you were presented with solutions to climate change, but you decided to gamble on something you read in a comic book. you fucking asshole
But that stupid rich asshole fuck might make it through this. Because there is always a possibility of a hail mary, and at this point it may be the only thing that saves us. And that nerd is going to feel vindicated. "see, look, we control the world's climate now, we made it through this, it was technology that saved us". so what if a billion people had to suffer before we returned to stability. they're just happy they were right
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/07/peak-soil-industrial-civilisation-eating-itself
permaculturalists talk about 'building soil' with a variety of techniques that dont involve fertiliser (well, composting) ... no idea if it works on a big scale.
same author wrote these before the saudi/us/uk invasion of yemen ...
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/yemen-s-collapse-taste-things-come-456530551
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/new-age-water-wars-portends-bleak-future-804130903
lol
Firstly is how the entropic build up in the earth system as a result of capitalism has been paid forward, the attempt to maintain the mythology of progress and development always comes at the cost of increased and accelerating environmental destruction. The example he gives is how (techno)solutions are route bound, and deviating from that route is impossible within capitalism, the only way the system copes is doubling down - The solution to food shortages was to replace loss of actual soil fertility with NPK fertilisers, this leads to an impoverishment of the soil complexity and organic composition. The solution to this is not to restore soil organic complexity, but to develop GM crops which can deal with shit soil, these in turn are more susceptible to plant pests, so spraying has to increase, which leads to resistance -> chemicals become more toxic, in larger volumes.... and so on - each "solution" pays the problem forward with interest, the complexity in the system is progressively worn down into a simple system, each technological "solution" creates a bigger problem, until the whole system snaps - the thermodynamic limit is reached, game over, mass starvation.
Secondly he demonstrates how the core-periphery model applies at a thermodynamic level, that imperialism sucks energy from the periphery into the core to maintain itself - a truly parasitic existence.
Thirdly he flags up something which another poster here said in regards to Afghanistan. That as this system enters its terminal phase (which the author characterises as lining up with the bush 2 era), the Euro-American Imperialist system of attempting to maintain complete control has become untenable enough that imperialism has moved into a fall back position - where if domination of regions and populations can't be guaranteed in a chaotic situation then destructive chaos is the next best option. This has only increased since Biel was looking at Iraq and i guess s we've got a lot more to come.
And lastly he explains how imperialism has become both parasitic on the destruction it creates - on its own decay, and auto-cannibalistic - as global control fails, the core is forced to eat its own democratic rights and conventions, re-importing its external repressive methods back from the periphery to the core.
In Biels own words, the "end of history" discourse is correct, but not in the way they thought of it.
but beil is still a bad writer, tho its better than the eurocommunism book he wrote.
tears posted:Firstly is how the entropic build up in the earth system as a result of capitalism has been paid forward, the attempt to maintain the mythology of progress and development always comes at the cost of increased and accelerating environmental destruction. The example he gives is how (techno)solutions are route bound, and deviating from that route is impossible within capitalism, the only way the system copes is doubling down - The solution to food shortages was to replace loss of actual soil fertility with NPK fertilisers, this leads to an impoverishment of the soil complexity and organic composition. The solution to this is not to restore soil organic complexity, but to develop GM crops which can deal with shit soil, these in turn are more susceptible to plant pests, so spraying has to increase, which leads to resistance -> chemicals become more toxic, in larger volumes.... and so on - each "solution" pays the problem forward with interest, the complexity in the system is progressively worn down into a simple system, each technological "solution" creates a bigger problem, until the whole system snaps - the thermodynamic limit is reached, game over, mass starvation.
This is very important. Our agriculture system is already experiencing non-climate change related issues, and already heavily relies on highly advanced globalized industries/technologies to sustain itself. Climate change is going to put huge amounts of pressures on both the natural cycle of crop growth, as well as interfere with agriculture products (parts, fertilizers, 'cides, hydrocarbons, even R&D) through regional destabilization.
Globalized industry is highly precarious. Once globalization takes root (which it has), it must exist to sustain itself. The John Deer tractor claims to be built in America, but it relies on parts, processes, and materials from around the world. If the people of Shenzhen decide to riot because of food shortages, the entire world's electronics supply line has been cut. The collapse of our globalized society will be spectacular and horrifying.