The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
The bourgeoisie has sold mattresses using 9/11 references.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:so your answer to how many composers or rocket scientists you are to find tweaking in a manilla junkyard is, presumably, zero
Yes that's correct, race and class being the determining factors; you don't find them sober in a Manila junkyard either.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:tell you what let's remove all geographic markers and just ask how many worthwhile humans are to be found homeless and blasted on heroin or methamphetamines somewhere on the planet earth and then amaze at the answer still being zero
heroin is probably none outside of self-destructive artists, but, being in a math department, amphetamines are not uncommon
tpaine posted:chicken how many charter school administrators and corporate defense lawyers do you even think you'd find injecting crystal or whatever. i mean come on
in the us lawyers do drugs at about twice the rate of the general population(meaning a little over 20%), mostly due to long hours, depression, and social isolation.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I don't understand why its so difficult to grok that I don't care particularly if you use hard drugs on occasion except where that is the precondition of becoming a worthless drug addict
Your concept of drugs and addiction are further removed from reality... and much less removed from some alternate reality 
Panopticon posted:The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
The bourgeoisie has sold mattresses using 9/11 references.
{record scratch }a good post??? By panoptoglob???
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Charles Foster Wallace wannabes who say the classification of "hard drugs" isn't a real thing, they aren't really that destructive and all these horror stories are just The Media, Man can only exist for however long it takes to navigate to and load any page where drug users discuss their activities. Personally I prefer TCC because the death permaban policy makes it clear that those threads are mass graves of delusional fucks, not that it deters anyone. Step right up! Just climb over the pile of broken skeletons and you too can ride this rollercoaster!
Replace hard drugs with neoliberal economics in your theory and you just might be onto somethin m8
roseweird posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:tell you what let's remove all geographic markers and just ask how many worthwhile humans are to be found homeless and blasted on heroin or methamphetamines somewhere on the planet earth and then amaze at the answer still being zero
i have been near homeless and fucked up on amphetamines before and so have some other people i know and care about, and i think i am doing well and making my life worthwhile, mostly because most people don't have an attitude like yours..
a childhood friend of mine who made his living as a programmer died of a heroin overdose...
at a certain level of crazed addiction when people become too violent and insane to deal with i think all you can do is defend yourself and stay away from them. maybe that is the condition being experienced in philippines.
but there is a choice of perspective between seeing in addiction human potential inhibited by pain and error, and fixating on human weakness for the sake of bad internet jokes. i know which one i think is more productive
i don't find it terribly productive to save some subset of people from their own idiocy and deathwish. this takes effort that would be better directed elsewhere at almost anything, including composing nazi jazz, saving the whales or making bad internet jokes. there are too many people already, they are largely fungible for most productive purposes, and even if we're particularly invested in saving people for whatever reason there are lots of them more deserving
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Charles Foster Wallace wannabes who say the classification of "hard drugs" isn't a real thing
weird way to talk about your beloved scientists lol. your idealist pharmacology holds no water except among the least educated and most dedicated of ideologues, and you should probably think some more about stuff a daddy cop told you once.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I don't care particularly if you use hard drugs on occasion except where that is the precondition of becoming a worthless drug addict
so yet again in other words you mean poor people. drugs are fine for the oppressor making the lives of the oppressed so bad that they turn to drugs and the oppressed are worthless nonhumans unless they bootstrap themselves up to the oppressing class where it becomes ok again?
chickeon posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Charles Foster Wallace wannabes who say the classification of "hard drugs" isn't a real thing
weird way to talk about your beloved scientists lol. your idealist pharmacology holds no water except among the least educated and most dedicated of ideologues, and you should probably think some more about stuff a daddy cop told you once.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I don't care particularly if you use hard drugs on occasion except where that is the precondition of becoming a worthless drug addict
so yet again in other words you mean poor people. drugs are fine for the oppressor making the lives of the oppressed so bad that they turn to drugs and the oppressed are worthless nonhumans unless they bootstrap themselves up to the oppressing class where it becomes ok again?
i'm pretty sure people dont become drug addicts because oppressors are making their lives bad, i think they do it because drugs are addictive and because people are weak and stupid.
roseweird posted:goatstein maybe you don't think you deserve it but i am determined to save your soul from nazi jazz no matter what it takes
thank you roseweird
xipe posted:if heroin became free/cheap & legal to use the same as, say, internet pornography or posting several hours per day on 'comedy' forums for a decade would addicts have a similar superiority complex to goatstein?
i bet they'd develop a "being dead" complex
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:chickeon posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Charles Foster Wallace wannabes who say the classification of "hard drugs" isn't a real thing
weird way to talk about your beloved scientists lol. your idealist pharmacology holds no water except among the least educated and most dedicated of ideologues, and you should probably think some more about stuff a daddy cop told you once.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I don't care particularly if you use hard drugs on occasion except where that is the precondition of becoming a worthless drug addict
so yet again in other words you mean poor people. drugs are fine for the oppressor making the lives of the oppressed so bad that they turn to drugs and the oppressed are worthless nonhumans unless they bootstrap themselves up to the oppressing class where it becomes ok again?
i'm pretty sure people dont become drug addicts because oppressors are making their lives bad, i think they do it because drugs are addictive and because people are weak and stupid.
Durr I wonder why there's an opioid epidemic among the struggling poor. Must be because theyre all fuckin born failures who must be executed
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:xipe posted:if heroin became free/cheap & legal to use the same as, say, internet pornography or posting several hours per day on 'comedy' forums for a decade would addicts have a similar superiority complex to goatstein?
i bet they'd develop a "being dead" complex
*Crime Issues: 60% drop in felony crimes by patients (80% drop after one year in the program). 82% drop in patients selling heroin.
*Death Rates: No one has died from a heroin overdose since the inception of the program. The heroin used is inspected for purity and strength by technicians.
*Disease Rates: New infections of Hepatitis and HIV have been reduced for patients in the program.
*New Use Rates: Slightly lower than expected. 1) As reported in the Lancet June 3, 2006, the medicalisation of using heroin has tarnished the image of heroin and made it unattractive to young people. 2) Most new users are introduced to heroin by members of their social group and 50% of users also deal to support their habit. Therefore, with so many users/sellers in treatment, non-users have fewer opportunities to be exposed to heroin, especially in the rural areas.
*Cost Issues: 48 dollars/day: Patient costs are covered by national health insurance agency. Patients pay 700 dollars/year for the compulsory insurance. Note: The Swiss save about 38 dollars per day per patient mostly in lowered costs for court and police time, due to less crime committed by the patients.
*In December 2008 the Swiss voted (68%-32%) to make the program part of their body of laws.
http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/resources/swiss-heroin-assisted-treatment-1994-2009-summary/
xipe posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:xipe posted:if heroin became free/cheap & legal to use the same as, say, internet pornography or posting several hours per day on 'comedy' forums for a decade would addicts have a similar superiority complex to goatstein?
i bet they'd develop a "being dead" complex
*Crime Issues: 60% drop in felony crimes by patients (80% drop after one year in the program). 82% drop in patients selling heroin.
*Death Rates: No one has died from a heroin overdose since the inception of the program. The heroin used is inspected for purity and strength by technicians.
*Disease Rates: New infections of Hepatitis and HIV have been reduced for patients in the program.
*New Use Rates: Slightly lower than expected. 1) As reported in the Lancet June 3, 2006, the medicalisation of using heroin has tarnished the image of heroin and made it unattractive to young people. 2) Most new users are introduced to heroin by members of their social group and 50% of users also deal to support their habit. Therefore, with so many users/sellers in treatment, non-users have fewer opportunities to be exposed to heroin, especially in the rural areas.
*Cost Issues: 48 dollars/day: Patient costs are covered by national health insurance agency. Patients pay 700 dollars/year for the compulsory insurance. Note: The Swiss save about 38 dollars per day per patient mostly in lowered costs for court and police time, due to less crime committed by the patients.
*In December 2008 the Swiss voted (68%-32%) to make the program part of their body of laws.
http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/resources/swiss-heroin-assisted-treatment-1994-2009-summary/
people in actively in treatment who are given controlled quantities of heroin don't die. ok. that is relevant to people not in treatment, who use however much they want, because.....
ilmdge posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:chickeon posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Charles Foster Wallace wannabes who say the classification of "hard drugs" isn't a real thing
weird way to talk about your beloved scientists lol. your idealist pharmacology holds no water except among the least educated and most dedicated of ideologues, and you should probably think some more about stuff a daddy cop told you once.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I don't care particularly if you use hard drugs on occasion except where that is the precondition of becoming a worthless drug addict
so yet again in other words you mean poor people. drugs are fine for the oppressor making the lives of the oppressed so bad that they turn to drugs and the oppressed are worthless nonhumans unless they bootstrap themselves up to the oppressing class where it becomes ok again?
i'm pretty sure people dont become drug addicts because oppressors are making their lives bad, i think they do it because drugs are addictive and because people are weak and stupid.
Durr I wonder why there's an opioid epidemic among the struggling poor. Must be because theyre all fuckin born failures who must be executed
there is an opioid epidemic because it became much easier to to get opioids
would he dig their steampunk fedoras?
-a bunch of guys who died of opioids
-a fictional character
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:there is an opioid epidemic because it became much easier to to get opioids
it's consistently gotten harder and harder to get opioids over the past 10 years at least lol
chickeon posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:there is an opioid epidemic because it became much easier to to get opioids
it's consistently gotten harder and harder to get opioids over the past 10 years at least lol
maybe your dealers are just dying
chickeon posted:it's consistently gotten harder and harder to get opioids over the past 10 years at least lol
it can vary regionally. the most recent oil boom here was accompanied by a boom of spurious opioid scrips being fired out like from one of those make it rain guns. i've personally had a lot of pain related health problems and doctors/pharmacists were always real confused when I had to repeatedly explain to them no, I don't want to just be in an opium haze 24/7