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finally rhizzone finds a marxist-leninist purge it doesn't like: one directed at degenerate drug addicts. what are the odds
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SparksBandung posted:

Duterte’s “drug war” has clearly become anti-people and anti-democratic. Human rights are being violated with impunity by police personnel, emboldened by Duterte’s assurances of “I got your back” and his public declarations of contempt against human rights.


getfiscal posted:

Weird, drug wars don't normally expand beyond their purported aims.


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glomper_stomper posted:

this is what he said he'd do during his damn campaign


Yeah I thought he made himself pretty clear during the campaign--dude's platform could have been cribbed from a black metal album. Did the CCP interpret his rhetoric as hyperbole? Everything he's doing now seems consistent with his tenure in Davao.

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Some Maoists I know seemed excited that he would stop the military from killing them. Marty, a former high tier poster, used to tell me that a lot Communist Party units were just criminals though, since it was a possible path to warlordism for upstarts in some areas. This isn't inconsistent with fighting drug wars because you can go around killing your competition. It's not even inconsistent with revolution because you've got bills to pay. Unfortunately it's also a good way to depoliticize yourself and open yourself to attack because running rackets puts a huge target on your head. This was obviously a deliberate part of the US police destruction of the black power movement - pushing drugs in communities and getting the political organizations jumbled up in it and then arresting or killing a lot of them. If you trace a lot of mid-level BPP leaders and such a lot of them end up in prison or dead because of drugs. A lot of them were heroic people but yeah.
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The movie "Black Mass" that came out recently is about how the FBI gave carte blanche to one small gang in Boston which then started basically systematically destroying all competition. The movie seems to exaggerate how worried the FBI was about the scheme, since they seemed to run schemes like this all over, especially against gangs and groups that had bad politics. But yeah... Revolution is hard. I mean when I hear Maoists here bluster about how they are going to start a people's war... I just think... If the government was afraid for even one day about a real revolution, they would arrest a few thousand people who even talk about socialism. When the FLQ was running simple attacks the government arrested hundreds of Quebec nationalists to interrogate and terrify them, and it still has left a powerful impression on Quebec academics associated with separatism.
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getfiscal posted:

a lot Communist Party units were just criminals though



no wai

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getfiscal posted:

depoliticize yourself and open yourself to attack.



Missed opportunity to invoke "bloodshed" meme. User loses posting privileges for 3 days.

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I never understood or supported that meme. Hell, I don't even like the word "meme", for that matter.
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getfiscal posted:

The movie "Black Mass" that came out recently is about how the FBI gave carte blanche to one small gang in Boston which then started basically systematically destroying all competition. The movie seems to exaggerate how worried the FBI was about the scheme, since they seemed to run schemes like this all over, especially against gangs and groups that had bad politics. But yeah... Revolution is hard. I mean when I hear Maoists here bluster about how they are going to start a people's war... I just think... If the government was afraid for even one day about a real revolution, they would arrest a few thousand people who even talk about socialism. When the FLQ was running simple attacks the government arrested hundreds of Quebec nationalists to interrogate and terrify them, and it still has left a powerful impression on Quebec academics associated with separatism.



quebecois nationalism cracks me up Big League

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COMICAL CANADIAN POLICE: All right, we've determined that what we originally thought was random honking is actually a language they call "French"
MAYOR OF CANADA: But they're white and in North America. Are they immigrants?
COMICAL CANADIAN POLICE: No. We decoded it with a Rosetta stone of 1970s Central African pornography and it turns out they want independence.
MAYOR OF CANADA: Wacky kids. Scare them straight
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Québec separatism is fucked. Mohawk and Innu self-determination now.
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Yeah it is sad that the quebecois separatist movement, which I understand to have been more diverse in the past, has gradually boiled down to just xenophobic white supremacy.

also iirc the mounties ran their own car bomb campaign and blamed it on the FLQ, a classic canadian move also used on weibo ludwig &co, bc growops, and indigenous communities. be cautious making fun of our goofy funny looking cops because they are cold bastards.
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Thinking about "Black Mass" reminded me that "War Dogs" comes out soon, which about those two random guys that bid on defence contracts during the Iraq War, won them, had no idea what to do, so they just bought the ammo and such off even more shady international arms dealers and then shipped it to Iraq and made a lot of money before being arrested. And the trailer makes it look like the military is like "we're impressed you could bid so low" but like with a liberal angle of like... subcontracting gone mad etc... But as I was watching it, it made me think... some general must have been like... these idiots say they can get us ammo cheap... let's see what they can come up with and then arrest them afterwards. Which seems like a better moral about contemporary society... It's layers of scams with people in charge usually being surprisingly underestimated in their evil.
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I think you're confused, that movie is about Cuba Gooding Jr mushing in a fish out of water tale.
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shriekingviolet posted:

Yeah it is sad that the quebecois separatist movement, which I understand to have been more diverse in the past, has gradually boiled down to just xenophobic white supremacy.

also iirc the mounties ran their own car bomb campaign and blamed it on the FLQ, a classic canadian move also used on weibo ludwig &co, bc growops, and indigenous communities. be cautious making fun of our goofy funny looking cops because they are cold bastards.



canadian pigs also create white nationalist movements and run assassination campaigns against the left, straight gladio shit

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I think the far-left in Quebec has its own little civic nationalism they are developing which is basically an analogue of RISE in Scotland or some of the Catalan far-left and doesn't have a backwards-looking ethnic dimension. But it is still riddled with problems.

Personally I'm having a "it's still real to me, dammit" moment when it comes to nationalism, where I'm questioning the benefit of making it a programmatic point for the left in most places compared to the old-style idea of, like, federated socialist municipalities and so on. I witnessed a debate which was ostensibly about whether Quebec should separate and then go it alone or whether it should separate and then attempt to federate with Canada on new terms. It seems to me that socialists should always support the idea, in theory, that everything should federate with everything to the degree it is possible. And that therefore, except in extreme situations, we should say that, instead of playing into the nationalist delusion that countries somehow incorporate our humanity into them.

The only exception is a sort of radical humility we should express towards indigenous peoples as a result of the history of genocide, which includes basically restoring land to them first on terms of radical self-determination and only offering unity insofar as it would have an honorable substance. It seems backwards to me to offer unity first before you've attempted to correct the basic ongoing crime. The same dimension doesn't exist in Quebec, I don't think, or at least it doesn't after a half-century of nationalist reformism. We can plausibly imagine a constitution for Canada-Quebec that would solve some of the basic grievances. I mean, we can imagine it in part because it was one of the main demands of Rene Levesque!
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but he doesn't wear his specs and he's selling us out to the imperialists
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Duterte responded to the reported arrest and subsequent release of a notorious drug lord in Manila by saying: "Here in Davao, you can’t go out alive. You can go out, but inside a coffin. Is that what you call extra-judicial killing? Then I will just bring a drug lord to a judge and kill him there, that will no longer be extra-judicial."

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getfiscal posted:

Thinking about "Black Mass" reminded me that "War Dogs" comes out soon, which about those two random guys that bid on defence contracts during the Iraq War



remember the article about those guys but it's going to suck next to the nic cage one

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getfiscal posted:

Personally I'm having a "it's still real to me, dammit" moment when it comes to nationalism, where I'm questioning the benefit of making it a programmatic point for the left in most places



however the nationalist movements still have left leanings in a lot of places and the ones that don't at least have places for the left within them with disproportionate attention paid to leftist voices, while international institutions are currently belligerent & hostile toward leftism, even violent. but i suppose we shouldn't be shackled by history which is always my impulse. for every one of our infiltrators the United Nations discovers, we will inject two more.

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I understand that it's a powerful motive force for a lot of people and that sometimes the left helps shape that, but I have seen large numbers of leftists become "stageists" now where they basically admit that their goal is to build sovereign social-democracies as a stepping stone to socialism. The nationhood question just gives them a cover to make the social-democratic outcome seem radical.
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getfiscal posted:

I understand that it's a powerful motive force for a lot of people and that sometimes the left helps shape that, but I have seen large numbers of leftists become "stageists" now where they basically admit that their goal is to build sovereign social-democracies as a stepping stone to socialism. The nationhood question just gives them a cover to make the social-democratic outcome seem radical.

Forgive my display of ignorance, but what is the difference between supporting a continuity of stages to eventual socialism, and being "stageist""

Or is "stageist" simply "We'll pretend we want full communism, but we're really just shooting for Sweden."

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getfiscal posted:

I understand that it's a powerful motive force for a lot of people and that sometimes the left helps shape that, but I have seen large numbers of leftists become "stageists" now where they basically admit that their goal is to build sovereign social-democracies as a stepping stone to socialism. The nationhood question just gives them a cover to make the social-democratic outcome seem radical.



sounds correct to my dumb ass but i'm talking more about places like ireland and quebec assuming you have any hope for them, where social democracy exists or has existed and those movements, and their ties to native and revolutionary movements abroad at lower and more radical levels, remain as inroads for radical ideas. which is more a trickle than a river of revolutionary sentiment but it's still more i feel than you'd get with innovative proposals for local or regional government which are more likely to get attention from folks like peter thiel and the big consulting firms than anyone else.

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cars posted:

getfiscal posted:
quebec.



Please stahp pretending Quebec sovereignty is progressive, it's not.

PCR-RCP posted:

Reacting to the recent maneuvers by the federal government that pursue the same goal, but across the country, the author protests that Canadian state is the only one to claim control of this protectorate inhabited by the Inuit people. According to him, the Québec government should no less imitate the Canadian state and behave as a colonizer! This is another case where the defense of Québec’s territorial integrity involves the denial of aboriginal peoples right to self-determination.

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well i mean there's multiple sides to the separation issue. obviously, there are the right wing, quebec nationalists that should be opposed, but there's also quebec solidaire, which promotes separatism as a way to free ourselves from economic and political domination from the rest of canada. at least that's their argument, and it some merit, since the labour movement is way more robust here... so far as i can tell.
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Red_Canadian posted:

well i mean there's multiple sides to the separation issue. obviously, there are the right wing, quebec nationalists that should be opposed, but there's also quebec solidaire, which promotes separatism as a way to free ourselves from economic and political domination from the rest of canada. at least that's their argument, and it some merit, since the labour movement is way more robust here... so far as i can tell.



*sigh*

It's fucking stolen land whether its French or not, how hard is this to comprehend

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Agreed. We must categorically oppose the existence of the Klanadian State and all Kkkanadian People until such a time as a final solution for the Canada Question is available to us.
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We should put Duterte in charge of Canada and let him sort it out imo
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forums poster "goatstein" is in ifap; continues to weep fatly
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Red_Canadian posted:

obviously, there are the right wing, quebec nationalists that should be opposed, but there's also quebec solidaire, which promotes separatism as a way to free ourselves from economic and political domination from the rest of canada.

That argument made more sense in the 1950s, so much has changed since then that it is almost absurd to make the claim. Quebec has a strong independent bourgeoisie and is deeply integrated into the North American market. The question for communists now is whether an independent Quebec would be likely to maintain its position within world imperialism or if it would fight against it. The premise of people I've talked with seems to be that separation would create difficulties for capital. I don't think these difficulties are existential. QS (in the main) does not propose using independence as part of a struggle to build a new socialist state, it simply calls for left-social-democracy. If that could be achieved it would be admirable but it would be within the bourgeois horizon. I think communists should try to break beyond that horizon by promoting socialist revolution.

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Requirement for release not in ifap op, illegal ifap. Release him and formally apologize.
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ilmdge posted:

forums poster "goatstein" is in ifap; continues to weep fatly



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tpaine is a political prisoner
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if independent Quebec went communist it wouldn't be independent for long
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fyi i released tpaine like five hours after he got ifapped. hes staying away because he wants to
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he has fled to gbs
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ilmdge posted:

forums poster "goatstein" is in ifap; continues to weep fatly



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dongs posted:

fyi i released tpaine like five hours after he got ifapped. hes staying away because he wants to


please don't explain the joke, dongs.

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SparksBandung posted:

*sigh*

It's fucking stolen land whether its French or not, how hard is this to comprehend


it is extremely funny to me when western canadian leftists who are really into indigenous solidarity go on vacation to montreal, the Holy Land of the canadian left, where they are obviously so much more advanced and so much more Left than us uncouth hicks, and they come back shocked by all the blase xenophobic racism and colonialist attitudes practiced by a lot of prestigious quebecois organizations.