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I've been reading more about Australian history and politics recently so I thought I'd make a thread for me to dump info, similar to the Vietnam thread. With federal elections less than a week away its also a good time to post any recent news items of interest. The Vietnam thread largely turned into me making real long posts so it'd be good if this thread was more conversational


‘Chinese Pest’, Melbourne Punch, 10 May 1888

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Meant to put this Lenin piece in the OP but it slipped my mind. My emphasis added:

A general election recently took place in Australia. The Labour Party, which had a majority in the Lower House—44 seats out of 75—was defeated. It now has only 36 seats out of 75. The majority has passed to the Liberals, but this majority is a very unstable one, because 30 of the 36 seats in the Upper House are held by Labour.

What sort of peculiar capitalist country is this, in which the workers’ representatives, predominate in the Upper house and, till recently, did so in the Lower House as well, and yet the capitalist system is in no danger?

An English correspondent of the German labour press recently explained the situation, which is very often misrepresented by bourgeois writers.

The Australian Labour Party does not even call itself a socialist party. Actually it is a liberal-bourgeois party, while the so-called Liberals in Australia are really Conservatives.

This strange and incorrect use of terms in naming par ties is not unique. In America, for example, the slave-owners of yesterday are called Democrats, and in France, enemies of socialism, petty bourgeois, are called Radical Socialists! In order to understand the real significance of parties, one must examine not their signboards but their class character and the historical conditions of each individual country.

Australia is a young British colony.

Capitalism in Australia is still quite youthful. The country is only just taking shape as an independent state. The workers are for the most part emigrants from Britain. They left the country at the time when the liberal-labour policy held almost undivided sway there, when the masses of the British workers were Liberals. Even now the majority of the skilled factory workers in Britain are Liberals or semi-Liberals. This is the results of the exceptionally favourable, monopolist position enjoyed by Britain in the second half of the last century. Only now are the masses of the workers in Britain turning (but turning slowly) towards socialism.

And while in Britain the so-called Labour Party is an alliance between the non-socialist trade unions and the extremely opportunist Independent Labour Party, in Australia the Labour Party is the unalloyed representative of the non-socialist workers’ trade unions.

The leaders of the Australian Labour Party are trade union officials, everywhere the most moderate and “capital serving” element, and in Australia, altogether peaceable, purely liberal.

The ties binding the separate states into a united Australia are still very weak. The Labour Party has had to concern itself with developing and strengthening these ties, and with establishing central government.

In Australia the Labour Party has done what in other countries was done by the Liberals, namely, introduced a uniform tariff for the whole country, a uniform educational law, a uniform land tax and uniform factory legislation.

Naturally, when Australia is finally developed and consolidated as an independent capitalist state, the condition of the workers will change, as also will the liberal Labour Party, which will make way for a socialist workers’ party. Australia is an illustration of the conditions under which exceptions to the rule are possible. The rule is: a socialist workers’ party in a capitalist country. The exception is: a liberal Labour Party which arises only for a short time by virtue of specific conditions that are abnormal for capitalism in general.

Those Liberals in Europe and in Russia who try to “teach” the people that class struggle is unnecessary by citing the example of Australia, only deceive themselves and others. It is ridiculous to think of transplanting Australian conditions (an undeveloped, young colony, populated by liberal British workers) to countries where the state is long established and capitalism well developed.



https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/jun/13.htm

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Lenin makes an interesting prediction here:

Naturally, when Australia is finally developed and consolidated as an independent capitalist state, the condition of the workers will change, as also will the liberal Labour Party, which will make way for a socialist workers’ party. Australia is an illustration of the conditions under which exceptions to the rule are possible. The rule is: a socialist workers’ party in a capitalist country. The exception is: a liberal Labour Party which arises only for a short time by virtue of specific conditions that are abnormal for capitalism in general.



In the same vein as the analysis of Sakai's "Settlers" we can ask the following theoretical and historical questions; How has the settler nature of Australian society promoted a labor aristocracy and stunted socialist politics? What are the racial politics of Australia? Are there any major differences from other settler societies considering the lumpen-proletarian or proletarian (?) nature of many transported to Australia? How has the Labor party been "capital serving" (to use Lenin's words), both through their history and currently? To what degree has Australia "consolidated as an independent capitalist state" considering its close ties to Britain (and post WW2, USA)?

Just a few questions that might help guide this thread. I'm sure we could come up with more

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I am very interested in this thread and plan to contribute once I have a chance to think a little more about it. For now I will say that the short answer to your questions is, "Very carefully."
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they have funny accents op
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I watched the entirety of John Safran versus God about ten years ago. Other than that.... don't know much about Australia.
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I like those guys from flight of the conchords. Not their parody songs but their funny accents and dry humor, and Murray

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Yes flight of the concords is one of my favorite Australians. Also lethal weapon is my favorite movie an Mel Gibson is definitely from Australia so that's cool.
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aerdil posted:

they have funny accents op



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getfiscal posted:

I watched the entirety of John Safran versus God about ten years ago. Other than that.... don't know much about Australia.



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4:30 "why doesn't the klan have a branch... like... for Jews?" lmao
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safran fueled some of my teenage contrarianism i think. glad that impulse eventually found a direction (marxism-leninism)

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imagine being the person who worked there while this dude had his vice.com moment
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dicka dicka daaa dicka dicka daa dicka dicka daaa daaa daaa

*drops coffee all over the counter w/ the straws and milk*

"oh shit, I'm totally gonna write an article for the website about this"
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In the lead up to the effort post I'm writing relating Settlers to Australian history, I've been doing some reading about our great southern land. My reaction at this point is, the impossibility of the indigenous people staging some kind of revolt now means that while they're an obvious ally of socialists here, they can't initiate without substantial help. Where is that help going to come from? The vast majority of our workers are heavily pampered labour aristocrats, totally uninterested in serious change. I think Lenin was right about Australia, it'll be the last bastion of capitalism.
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is there any kind of aboriginal movement to build the same kind of semi-autonomous governments you see in Canada/America/New Zealand?
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thirdplace posted:

is there any kind of aboriginal movement to build the same kind of semi-autonomous governments you see in Canada/America/New Zealand?


because that worked out so well

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Certain structures are better than others but many native groups in the US argue legal recognition of their nations enables them to pressure the government using international courts. This hasn't really gone too far since the 90s here I think tho
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It's election day. Go do ur patriotic duty
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vote robocop
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"yall better be glad this guy doesnt like drawing dudes bodies"
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thirdplace posted:

is there any kind of aboriginal movement to build the same kind of semi-autonomous governments you see in Canada/America/New Zealand?


Yes. http://nationalunitygovernment.org/

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Makeshift_Swahili posted:

It's election day. Go do ur patriotic duty


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that's democracy for ya.
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Looking at the senate forms I noticed a new party called "Socialist Equality" that I'd never heard of before. My trot senses, which turned out to be extremely finely tuned by now, began tingling.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/07/cheat-sheet-for-the-australian-double-dissolution-elections-this-weekend.html

turns out i was right. Fucken trots. im now a fully fledged stalinist
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SEP have been around since the last federal election at least I think
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Last time they were "socialist alternative"
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SEP are "impossibilists" who believe that "vanguardism" is the main sickness of the left, which they are not down with, and instead believe that socialists should win over the broad majority and then leap directly to socialism worldwide. They run the world socialist website which is why they have groups everywhere. There is a club at my school. They are good at ranting about other socialist groups because they have a strong memory for like, some MP people like having voted for the war in afghanistan in 2002 or whatever.
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shriekingviolet posted:

thirdplace posted:

is there any kind of aboriginal movement to build the same kind of semi-autonomous governments you see in Canada/America/New Zealand?

because that worked out so well

fucked up but true, but still potentially better than the alternative. more on point to the post I replied to, given the sorid history of dogooders fuckin up native communities with efforts that end up as playing out as half-baked assimilation, it's the only form of "substantial help" that I think a non-native person has any business getting involved in (not to imply that there aren't still plenty of pitfalls to navigate)

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getfiscal posted:

SEP are "impossibilists" who believe that "vanguardism" is the main sickness of the left, which they are not down with, and instead believe that socialists should win over the broad majority and then leap directly to socialism worldwide. They run the world socialist website which is why they have groups everywhere. There is a club at my school. They are good at ranting about other socialist groups because they have a strong memory for like, some MP people like having voted for the war in afghanistan in 2002 or whatever.


i think these are the same people that put up flyers around here for info sessions on why trotsky was assassinated

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Gibbonstrength posted:

Last time they were "socialist alternative"


Same shit different bottle http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=39748

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c_man posted:

i think these are the same people that put up flyers around here for info sessions on why trotsky was assassinated



assassinated? i heard ear infection.

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Why does it take so long to count the votes? Get a real electoral system! (Soviets)
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slow and steady wins the race