#41
chickeon
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the idea of porn being ineradicable strikes me the exact same way as liberals declaring the impossibility of socialism. try harder comrades
#42
Marxsplainer
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i think it would be possible for ethical, feminist, non-exploitative pornography to exist across the socialist horizon. but it won't be possible until we destroy both capitalism and patriarchy and until we do that it's moot. leave it up to the future planners. until that day we should oppose pornography use and production.
#43
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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what counts as porn? because video of humans fucking miiiight hypothetically be eradicable at least in comparison to eradicating all depictions of fucking, in the way that it's more plausible to imagine the disassembly of Mercury vs. Jupiter
#44
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I don't really have any interest in a quote unquote uptopia where I can't get mad horny and shoot my thick stream. So you guys are on your own on this one. By friction alone I set my mind in motion, etc.
#45
Marxsplainer
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i only j/o to extremely vivid fantasies of strong comrades marching in endless ranks into the bright communist dawn, smashing the edifices of capital, building the infrastructure that will bolster the proletarian future, harvesting great quantities of grain, etc
#46
Dont Mess With Sucess
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Keven posted:

I don't really have any interest in a quote unquote uptopia where I can't get mad horny and shoot my thick stream. So you guys are on your own on this one. By friction alone I set my mind in motion, etc.


Shooting your thick stream is encouraged, comrade! Just be sure to do it into the open graves of the capitalists, away from direct view of the guided tours.

#47
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So why'd the new girl poster show up, immediately ask everyone why there aren't any girl posters and then make a pornography thread.
#48
Marxsplainer
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in soviet russia, thick stream shoots you!
#49
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take the most horrible pornographic video and subtitle it with detailes of the exploitation and abuse thats going on, and also marxist quotes on labour and exploitation, like make it really un-erotic and analytical, u could do a series. idk if this is a good idea or would work but its one i had once and never bothered to do.
#50
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Keven posted:

So why'd the new girl poster show up, immediately ask everyone why there aren't any girl posters and then make a pornography thread.



Sorry, I guess you're right about it being an inappropriate thread for the venue. I also asked if there were women here as the first reply to this thread, not before I posted the content.

If you have any other M-L comedy forums you could suggest that would be willing, someday hopefully, to post my essays in some sort of published and respectable format, and who are also welcoming to women, please let me know.

#51
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Well I can only speak for myself, but I always appreciate different viewpoints and it's certainly something this community needs. If you can stomach being the only woman for awhile, hopefully that will encourage more woman to join. Unfortunately, it'll probably be like you're the only girl at a sausage fest until then, but let us know of particularly egregarious examples of sexism and I have faith that the community will react positively.
#52
Online
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MarianneSadd posted:

Keven posted:

So why'd the new girl poster show up, immediately ask everyone why there aren't any girl posters and then make a pornography thread.

Sorry, I guess you're right about it being an inappropriate thread for the venue. I also asked if there were women here as the first reply to this thread, not before I posted the content.

If you have any other M-L comedy forums you could suggest that would be willing, someday hopefully, to post my essays in some sort of published and respectable format, and who are also welcoming to women, please let me know.


There's a cat here that can publish your post onto the front page of this site. I think he should

#53
Kurdt
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the 70s-80s German left militant group Rote Zora engaged in direct action against porn/brothels/etc. worth reading and learning about

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#54
Kurdt
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MarianneSadd posted:

Keven posted:

So why'd the new girl poster show up, immediately ask everyone why there aren't any girl posters and then make a pornography thread.

Sorry, I guess you're right about it being an inappropriate thread for the venue. I also asked if there were women here as the first reply to this thread, not before I posted the content.

If you have any other M-L comedy forums you could suggest that would be willing, someday hopefully, to post my essays in some sort of published and respectable format, and who are also welcoming to women, please let me know.

this is definitely not the wrong forum to post this kind of stuff. if you're not familiar with the humor here it can be a little insular, but this kind of discussion is really welcome. as long as you agree that American Psycho was the greatest film of our generation

#55
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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ilmdge posted:

MarianneSadd posted:

Keven posted:

So why'd the new girl poster show up, immediately ask everyone why there aren't any girl posters and then make a pornography thread.

Sorry, I guess you're right about it being an inappropriate thread for the venue. I also asked if there were women here as the first reply to this thread, not before I posted the content.

If you have any other M-L comedy forums you could suggest that would be willing, someday hopefully, to post my essays in some sort of published and respectable format, and who are also welcoming to women, please let me know.

There's a cat here that can publish your post onto the front page of this site. I think he should




frontpage cat is watching u pontificate

#56
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if u fucking love stalin to an unhealthy and fetishistic degree u'll probably get on just fine
#57
Kurdt
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that's a ban, comrade
#58
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i fucking love to an unhealthy and fetishistic degree and i get on just fine here come @ me comrade
#59
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i am a communist with high functioning autism and will never watch a video of two meat sacs grinding appendages in and out of each other due to economic exploitation and the pressures of patriarchy
#60
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gyrofry posted:

MarianneSadd posted:

Keven posted:

So why'd the new girl poster show up, immediately ask everyone why there aren't any girl posters and then make a pornography thread.

Sorry, I guess you're right about it being an inappropriate thread for the venue. I also asked if there were women here as the first reply to this thread, not before I posted the content.

If you have any other M-L comedy forums you could suggest that would be willing, someday hopefully, to post my essays in some sort of published and respectable format, and who are also welcoming to women, please let me know.

this is definitely not the wrong forum to post this kind of stuff. if you're not familiar with the humor here it can be a little insular, but this kind of discussion is really welcome. as long as you agree that American Psycho was the greatest film of our generation



Mary Harron is a feminist and I quite enjoy the film. I also enjoy the humor, I'm just not able to be so funny these days.

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Another possibility to consider: since sex work is a "job like any other" - why even bother having special / exit / trauma services for them? Do we demand special / exit / trauma services for aestheticians, house cleaners, fast food cooks, masseuses or any other female-heavy service industry? Perhaps this is the main glaring fault in this worldview. I mean, I'm sure that the above have all experienced sexual harrassment on the job (I've never gone without, in any job, ever) but do they often require anal stitches?

Perhaps I'm a little passionate about an industry I've never worked in, but then again, it's quite shocking that this is the cause célèbre for so many first world feminists with such an incredible lack of coherent thought behind it. Sort of like how Hillary Clinton has painted herself as the anti-racist, anti-sexist candidate, when she was so responsible for the ethnic cleansing of so many black African women from Libya. It's just sloganeering.
#62
Mike Nelson here.
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MarianneSadd posted:

Another possibility to consider: since sex work is a "job like any other" - why even bother having special / exit / trauma services for them?

Religious conceptions of shame.

#63
Kurdt
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Could it be said that the explosion in clinical depression and use of antidepressants amongst the bourgeoisie fills a similar (albeit less graphic) function in terms of psychic trauma?
#64
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getfiscal posted:

MarianneSadd posted:

Another possibility to consider: since sex work is a "job like any other" - why even bother having special / exit / trauma services for them?

Religious conceptions of shame.



But then - why aren't the people in question who claim that 55 words can change the world (but haven't) agitating for this kind of support?

#65
Mike Nelson here.
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If abortion is "just women's health care", then why do there exist therapy services for women who have had an abortion? If homosexuality is "not immoral", then why are there conversion therapy resources available in many communities?
#66
Marxsplainer
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MarianneSadd posted:

Sorry, I guess you're right about it being an inappropriate thread for the venue. I also asked if there were women here as the first reply to this thread, not before I posted the content.

If you have any other M-L comedy forums you could suggest that would be willing, someday hopefully, to post my essays in some sort of published and respectable format, and who are also welcoming to women, please let me know.



please don't let the extremely unhealthy levels of irony here scare you away. as is sadly too apparent we need more women's voices here

MarianneSadd posted:

Another possibility to consider: since sex work is a "job like any other" - why even bother having special / exit / trauma services for them? Do we demand special / exit / trauma services for aestheticians, house cleaners, fast food cooks, masseuses or any other female-heavy service industry? Perhaps this is the main glaring fault in this worldview. I mean, I'm sure that the above have all experienced sexual harrassment on the job (I've never gone without, in any job, ever) but do they often require anal stitches?

Perhaps I'm a little passionate about an industry I've never worked in, but then again, it's quite shocking that this is the cause célèbre for so many first world feminists with such an incredible lack of coherent thought behind it. Sort of like how Hillary Clinton has painted herself as the anti-racist, anti-sexist candidate, when she was so responsible for the ethnic cleansing of so many black African women from Libya. It's just sloganeering.



yeah. i'm paraphrasing the words of our dearly departed doxxed discipline but the question we should be asking people who claim porn's just another job is "how much would you need to get paid to let your boss, your CEO, and the janitor fuck your ass and face? would you trust your boss to treat you well during and after?"

#67
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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that question builds from the premise that it's something new my job is requiring of me which is grossly inappropriate and not precisely what i expected when i walked into The Janitor Fucks Your Ass Incorporated and applied for a position
#68
Marxsplainer
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no goatie, it just raises the thought that maybe porn's a job where the emotional stakes are a bit higher than toiling in the Bad Post Mines or whatever it is you do to feed yourself
#69
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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nah you have to phrase that question in the manner that it's some surprise at your current job instead of reality, because to answer the question "how much would they have to pay you to fuck on camera" the answer for some subset of women is "a couple hundred bucks plus" and for men is "how much is bus fare"
#70
Dont Mess With Sucess
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yeah, "fucking on camera" sounds like a fair summary of the total work involved. Im sure its like, get the boney, have the hot sex and everyones like, That was the best, remind me why do I make an extremely cool million dollars a shoot for this again?" I cant imagine they are working any harder than me as I sit here aimlessly masturbating
#71
hi
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i still find the legal status of sex work being based on the presence of a camera very strange.
#72
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invariably whenever i see a twitter argument about sex work it devolves into a bunch of pro-capitalist liberal men who frequent prostitutes defending it as choice feminism against radical leftists who must hate women even if they are one
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HenryKrinkle posted:

i still find the legal status of sex work being based on the presence of a camera very strange.



well to be fair it allows it to be far more tightly regulated and controlled even though it usually isn't

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mt.real
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

nah you have to phrase that question in the manner that it's some surprise at your current job instead of reality, because to answer the question "how much would they have to pay you to fuck on camera" the answer for some subset of women is "a couple hundred bucks plus" and for men is "how much is bus fare"


i imagine you have to be just trolling but anyway: you're removing all of the power relation between the people involved when you just "reverse the genders"(tm) superficially. men in the context of actual reality want to fuck so much they will pay for it because they are in the dominant social position – there's no part of that transaction that challenges that. to actually swap things around you have to imagine being completely objectified, used, dominated, probably physically abused, and getting to the point where, despite the fact that you know it's going to be exactly like that and these people don't give a shit about you personally other than if you're hot enough & able to fake enthusiasm & orgasm in front of a camera, you go for it anyway, either having completely internalized that you exist only for the use and pleasure of others, or being aware of the entire imbalance and despite that willing to show up and say "yeah, fuck me up the ass for hours in front of a camera, maybe choke me or hit me, dehumanize me to the fullest extent, i don't exist for myself. my relation to you will be as your relation to any other object. i'll accept that."

#76
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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don't get me wrong despite my trolling i understand that the porn industry is gross i just laugh at the idea that the question "how much would they have to pay you to be in a porn??" is like some ridiculous hypothetical moon figure and not something that humans of both genders have answered with some specific dollar amount by the tens of thousands without guns to their head
#77
hi
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also: it is generally true that sex work legalization proponents often neglect to actually advocate for the labor protections they say they always will and are overly concerned with being seen as "stigmatizing" the porn/sex industry. but couldn't a similar thing be alleged about prohibitionists kind of glossing over the fact that in the US women can still be arrested and jailed for prostitution?

not equating the two but i think there needs to be a focus on decriminalizing the victims and giving a better economic support system for women in general.

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#78
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sum1 pls confirm that female pornographic laborers take a lot of opiate painkillers to do "scenes" (ugh) because a lot of that shit hurts like hell (and nt just physically!) because im p sure high levels of pain r nt part of most proles jobs so yeah: special treatmentt makes sense and is a good thing. just a thought.

goatstein, i posted about chatting w a woman who was running away from a brothel a couple of weeks ago maybe and she wasnt all like i knew it was going to be gross when i agreed to start, she was more like i had to have sex with disgusting overweight sexxbuying men because couldnt afford rent and food due to capitalism
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damn there were like a trillion posts between when i started writing that and when i hit the go button, pornchat brings out the posters