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Unions and wage regulations have very little effect on actual profit margins. Companies make up for most of the wage increase by cutting employment. Furthermore, this expands the unemployed army of reserve labor, bringing wages back down, possibly even lower than they were in the first place.

So not only are you fucking yourself and the working class, but you're distracting yourself from important work like communist revolution.
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yeah, we all got together in the main forum yesterday and agreed that direct workplace sabotage was a lot more effective and satisfying for the proletariat than unionizing and strikes. glad u ahgree too
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Mike Nelson here.
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Welfare being portrayed as less desirable to poors than an honest days work? What liberal bullshit is this??
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I love how Rhizzone has turned into this place where any attempt to help workers improve their condition, be polite to other people or give candy to children is considered reformist and anti-accelerationist. Great Success!
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Mike Nelson here.
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i love how
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Here's another thing I love: the cranial vacancy on places like DU and Revleft.

For example, an argument like "unions cause unemployment" is ignored, while "unions increase the reserve army of unemployed labor" is taken seriously.

They're the same argument, just one is phrased in leftard terminology.
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framing and tone are key
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unions causing unemployment isnt inherently negative as long as the unions are also ensuring the uninterrupted flow of wages to the unemployed
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Radicalize Jews. They're already 100% of the way there.
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Lucille posted:

Radicalize Jews. They're already 100% of the way there.



more like free radicalize them through rapid exothermic oxidation am i rite

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If capitalists could afford to let people go why wouldn't they be doing it already to maximize the dollar signs in their cartoon eyes
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They do, minimum wage sets a price floor and requires them to lay off more people whose marginal productivity is below the new cost of labor.
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service industry employers are reserving the exclusive use of scheduled labor-time; they are not purchasing productivity as a discrete product. Price floors must necessarily exist for all time-exclusive, non-contemporaneous, non-independently-contracted employment, as the specific nature of the worker's value is not fractionable, dispersable, or multiplicable
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service industry employers are reserving the exclusive use of scheduled labor-time; they are not purchasing productivity as a discrete product. Price floors must necessarily exist for all time-exclusive, non-contemporaneous, non-independently-contracted employment, as the specific nature of the worker's value is not fractionable, dispersable, or multiplicable



Alright dude is that supposed to be like a refutation or something?

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refute my balls
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Lucille posted:

service industry employers are reserving the exclusive use of scheduled labor-time; they are not purchasing productivity as a discrete product. Price floors must necessarily exist for all time-exclusive, non-contemporaneous, non-independently-contracted employment, as the specific nature of the worker's value is not fractionable, dispersable, or multiplicable

Alright dude is that supposed to be like a refutation or something?

well yeah

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Well then its just crap because it has nothing to do with anything.
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Lucille posted:

Well then its just crap because it has nothing to do with anything.


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So what does that have to do with the minimum wage? Supervisory time imposes a cost floor on labor?
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So what does that have to do with the minimum wage? Supervisory time imposes a cost floor on labor?
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Lucille posted:

So what does that have to do with the minimum wage? Supervisory time imposes a cost floor on labor?



the minimum wage isnt establishing any value associated with labor. it is setting the universal value of reserving an hour of time, prior to any added labor value generated from productivity or expertise. Minimum wage is not a contingent fee

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And this contests the point in the OP how?
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test
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For once, I'm trolled.

I mean your argument makes perfect sense from a Marxist perspective. The employment effects of the minimum wage are irrelevant, (modern) Marxism is all about destroying wealth.
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Lucille posted:

And this contests the point in the OP how?



employers who pay their workers minimum wage are not purchasing, and therefore are not entitled to, their actual labor

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employers who pay their workers minimum wage are not purchasing, and therefore are not entitled to, their actual labor



So how does one "purchase their actual labor?"

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Lucille posted:

employers who pay their workers minimum wage are not purchasing, and therefore are not entitled to, their actual labor

So how does one "purchase their actual labor?"



pay them more gil

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Superabound posted:

test

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The shitposting is starting. The topic seems to be getting sensitive.

pay them more gil



But workers are lazy and don't deserve anything.

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Lucille posted:

But workers are lazy and don't deserve anything.



"laziness" is a value statement describing labor and productivity. again, the minimum wage does not purchase labor or productivity, but time, a fixed commodity

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"laziness" is a value statement describing labor and productivity. again, the minimum wage does not purchase labor or productivity, but time, a fixed commodity



So companies are paying workers to sit around and waste time?

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once Science has fully achieved universal body immortality, then we can do away with the Minimum Wage
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Your argument can be summed up as "I don't care about aggregate wages only hourly wages" without resorting to marxism.
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Lucille posted:

"laziness" is a value statement describing labor and productivity. again, the minimum wage does not purchase labor or productivity, but time, a fixed commodity

So companies are paying workers to sit around and waste time?



ones that do not pay their workers above minimum wage are, yes. Demonstrably

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ones that do not pay their workers above minimum wage are, yes. Demonstrably



So they should be purged, to free the internet of their traffic.

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Lucille posted:

They do, minimum wage sets a price floor and requires them to lay off more people whose marginal productivity is below the new cost of labor.

F your economics. There reaches a point, where the business can't operate with any fewer laborers. As you economic fuckos say, something inelasticity, or whatever. For example a Mc Donalds cant operate without a cook and a cashier and a person answering drive through. Minimum wage $25 they still need those good honest folks, they are necessary for business to function. Your assumption that there exists a lot of jobs that are beneficial to fill only at $7/hr and can disappear when wage is raised, is just assumption. My assumption is that $7/hr is cash money and will already be eliminated by now by the cash money boss if possible. The Wal-Mart greeter can not be made redundant, it is an impossibility

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The wal mart greeter is the most irrelevant employee in the store. It's the very definition of low marginal productivity.
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Wtf are you seriously shit talking the essentiality of Walmart greeters